Fri 26 Jun 2009
The Problem of Faith
Posted by anaglyph under The Baffling Bible
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While we’re being all religious & such, a little something to ponder. I bring to your attention one of the stories in the Bible that must surely be of the most critical significance for all Christians: Genesis 22.
For those of you who missed Sunday School the week they covered that (and couldn’t be arsed clicking on the link), it’s the chapter of Genesis that tells of the sacrifice of Isaac by Abraham. Let me precis:
In this story, God speaks to Abraham and tells him to take his treasured son Isaac up into the mountains, and there lay him on a stone and sacrifice him. Abraham is nonplussed by this odd ((It’s odd because previously God has gone to great lengths to make sure Abraham has Isaac in the first place…)) and bloodthirsty request, but nevertheless does as he’s told and just as he’s about to plunge the knife into Isaac’s chest, an angel appears and reveals the jolly jape – it was all a test to see if Abraham was really truly faithful to God! Everybody laughs, they all have lemonade…
I’ve always had a problem with the morality of God’s test of Abraham – it smacks of insecurity and manipulation on God’s part: “Abraham… if you reeallllly loved me you’d kill Isaac…” It defines love as having measures; there’s love, but then there’s proper love which apparently requires that you do despicable acts to someone who you love a bit less. I’m not comfortable with these ideas – these are very human notions – hardly the kind of superior compassion and empathy you’d expect from a being with godly pedigree.
But the real reason I dislike Genesis 22 is that it is supposed to demonstrate to all Christians why you should put your complete and unquestioning faith in God – the rationale being that if you do, no matter what God requires of you, He will never let you down. That’s a big ask, and you’d expect that kind of lesson to come with a mighty imprimatur – that’s inscription-on-a-stone-tablet stuff. At least.
So, let’s examine the story of Abraham a little more closely. The old man takes his son and a handful of servants (and an ass) up the mountain to perform the dirty deed. He doesn’t tell anyone what’s going on, least of all Isaac, who we may reasonably assume might have had some objections. When the happy campers get close to the top of the hill, Abraham tells the hangers-on to cool their heels while he and Isaac continue to the top alone. The rest of the story happens out of sight of any independent witnesses – a three-hander with Isaac, Abraham, and, at the critical moment, a timely angel.
So who, exactly, related the tale of what happened? It can only have been Abraham or Isaac. ((Or the angel who deflects the knife, I guess, but let’s forgo the concept of supernatural entities providing testament for the existence of other supernatural entities. That just gets everybody giddy.))
To clarify: in order to get meaning from the greatest lesson of Faith in the Bible we are expected to accept the word of one of the two men who were involved in the story. Anything could have happened on that hill top – as Abraham stood poised to plunge the dagger into Isaac’s heart there is absolutely nothing to say that he didn’t just change his mind about doing the deed, and then tell everybody that ‘God’ stayed his hand. Or indeed, he could have just made the whole thing up – for all we know, Abraham and Isaac spent the time playing a few hands of Texas Hold ’em and chugging back a brew or two.
See, that’s the problem of attaining faith in supernatural beings – to get it, you always have to put your trust in human beings.
There was also a goat up there, I think; but he didnt contradict anything Abe or Izzy said.
Yeah – in those days goats knew their place. Now they get elected to parliament.
According to the historical documentary drama Year One, it was Jack Black shouting “Hey, leave that kid alone” which stayed Abraham’s hand.
whoops, sorry, SPOILER ALERT … oh, er, too late …
It would have been funnier if Abraham had been sacrificing a young goat.
Or if he’d sacrifice Jack Black. That guy is as funny as God is real.
How many membrs o Parliament make it to th altar?
There is an interesting debate the Christian traditional reading of the story and some Jewish orthodoxies.
In Hebrew, it sounds a whole lot like Isaac was actually sacrificed. I had a Rabbi explain it to me, once. It has to do with the possible mistranslation of ‘on top of’ as ‘instead of’ when he burns the ram.
Also, you’ll notice Abraham comes down to his men alone etc. It makes sense, since pretty much every religion requires a resurrection.
There’s also the possible translation of Gen 24 as Isaac being in the Negev and coming from Beer Lahai Roi as him being ‘nowhere.’ Keep in mind, I am not sure this is any less unlikely than an angel and ram showing up to stay the sacrifice in the first place. Or that God would be that interested in some Mesopotamian goatherd in the first place.
So, the real story may not be that Abraham had enough faith to almost do it, but that he had enough to actually do it, even when the angel tried to stop him.
Atlas: Perhaps Jack Black would make a better burnt offering?
Joey: Yes, good point. Maybe we could ask God about that?
Casey: Well, of course, if Isaac is actually sacrificed, then there is an even more sinister agenda on Abraham’s part – imagine: he goes to the mountain at God’s behest, kills his favourite son and then… ooops. How do I make the best of this screwup?
People do a lot of truly insane things in the Bible and get off scott-free because they can claim ‘God said to do it!’. Imagine doing that now – you’d just get thrown in the slammer. Or more appropriately, stuck into a straightjacket.
The interesting denouement of the sacrifice story is that it points out that Isaac’s role in the Bible is essentially immaterial (as a person, I mean). After all the build up, he more or less goes on to have a dull life with few noteworthy moments (unless you count ‘inventing afternoon prayer’, which is a fairly underwhelming achievement). He is nothing more than a mechanism by which to illustrate this idea of blind faith.
As a piece of literature, the Bible is pretty thin on character development.
Isaac wound up with major trust issues, fell into deep depression and committed suicide – could be part of the problem the Christian faith has with suicide and no subsequent mentions of the hapless Isaac.
That’s what I like about religion so open to interpretation.
Isaac is pretty much a bit player by any accounting.
A evn saddr biblickle figgr is Methuselah.
Guy lives 969 years — longr than anyone else th Bible sees fit to mention — and th only thing werf mentioning about him is how fuckin OLD he got.
Joey: He’d still be around today if someone would have stuck him in a jar of formaldehyde.
Yeah. Poor bastrd dint evn have THAT goin for im.
Ain’t no disputin that old Methusalutin coulda used a rasputin.
Yeah. Livin longr dont necesarily mean BEIN longr.
Joey! What’s happening? Casey feeds you the line, the crowd holds its breath…. and no poem!
I’m aghast!
[Thinks]: My God. It suddenly becomes clear – now the bastards have tricked me into asking for the poems…
When Noah was five hundred,
His lovemakin attempt,
Filld his wife wif such laughtr,
She Japhethd, Hamd, & Shempd.
I didn’t realize we were getting religious. I must have missed something, somewhere.
Genesis 22 does not equal faith, it equals
Blind Faith of as you mention the human race which we all know is insanity unless you are fully willing and prepared to die or kill and die.
I prefer the flavor of spirituality that only I am accountable for my actions, no one else…and that I do not need a huge cryptic instruction manual that has been tampered with over the centuries by many a man in power to meet their specific needs and in which folks are still arguing over the true meaning of many of its entries.
I think you were right. On the mountain, playing cards, tossing back a few brewskis and then came down with this way kewl story to control the flock of humans. Good political move if you ask me. If nothing else, an amusing story.
Hope your weekend is going well.
Th worst thing about Blind Faith is … ummm … I dunno … Gingr Bakr wudnt realy that good a drummr, I sppose.
Just testing new universal avatar that I finally got to work. New ink I got this week on my leg. And it works, great!
Nothing to here, move along…
Anyone else aroun here lifts a skirt, Im droppin my drawrs.
Is that a bronze medal? Who came
in second and first?
Jeez, Isaac’s tits don’t look right, sure it’s the right pic Rev?
The King
How did th old geezr bind th young lad anyhow?
Did he ovrpowr him, or was it more like, “Hey, while th servants are resting, what say we play that game wit th ropes again?”
Abe couldn’t do anything right
Joey: Now that’s what I’m talkin’ bout. Classic Polanski!
MI: The purpose of the story in Genesis 22 is merely to underline in black texta for all Christians the idea that no matter what God does, it can’t be wrong. It’s one of countless biblical examples that show God acting like a crazed psychopath and given special dispensation because He’s God. Without this card in play it becomes very difficult for Christians to show why horrible things happen in the world. It is what I call ‘The Mysterious Ways Card’.
If you ever decide to start a religion, you need to play this card early and often. Every religion has some version of it (Christianity’s version is the most egregious because elsewhere God is portrayed as merciful and cuddly – it’s a bet-each-way scenario).
Nice pic – the embedding doesn’t work for some reason. I tried to re-code it for you but I think it’s something to do with the way Blogger hosts images…
God’s grown up since them old days.Mellowed out some.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/books/review/Bloom-t.html?_r=1&ref=review
The sacrifice pickle gets chewier if ya read the Bible from front to back,with the Christ story coming after the Abraham one.Ya’know “Sacrifice 2:Keep it in the Family” or some such.No industry gossip that it’ll become a trilogy,but perhaps you could contact the author direct.
Hey Wolfman! Long time no!
>>…the increasing goodness of God reflects the increasing goodness of our species.
Yeah – funny how God evidently takes his example from us mortals rather than vice versa.
Quite honestly, I think that a massive filmic treatment of the Bible a-la Peter Jackson would be some spectacle – you know, forget the metaphor and just go the whole literal hog. There’s plenty of everything it takes – sex, action, blood – and the special effects would be mind-blowing. After all, who cares about plot, or anything that makes sense, these days?
” funny how God evidently takes his example from us mortals rather than vice versa”
We did,afterall,create him in our own image.Gives pause for thought as to how them Israelites lived.And how our current God behaves.
If you’re made disconsolate by the realisation that its all a man-made fiction,get in line.Queue,perhaps behind Julian Barnes:I don’t believe in God,but I miss him.
http://www.julianbarnes.com/bib/nothing.html
Regarding the PJ film adaptation;I’d guess he’d tag-team with Guillermo del Toro.Can’t wait to see the Life of Christ on-screen as Hellboy 3.
Atlas, yes a bronze star…and I am assuming you noticed the maple cluster on it thus asking who came in second and first?
It was a tribute piece to my pop pop, he got three bronze stars in WWII, but that got a bit complicated to indicate in a design, so just put the clusters there to indicate “multiple times” He also got a purple heart, and two others, one for serving in the North African Campaign against Field Marshal Rommel and one other I forget the name of. All were tossed by his ex wife after he was hospitalized and we were not told and were to inherit. Nice lady. Not. His initials and date of birth and death are on the tribute as it is NOT my medal. He has no grave site, so this was the best I could offer him. He deserved it.
http://maliciousintently.blogspot.com/2009/06/birth-of-tat-and-that-will-be-that.html