Sat 27 Aug 2011
Thank GOD for God!
Posted by anaglyph under Australiana, Religion, Science, Skeptical Thinking
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OK, as I said a couple of days back, in this post, and possibly the next, I’m going to take a critical look at the Transforming Melbourne document entitled ‘The Vital Role of the Church and Christian Faith in Our Society’ by Rob Isaachsen. The pdf is long and rambling, so I’m just going to lift out the more egregious and offensive portions for examination. Just so you know that I’m not taking anything out of context, though, I urge you to read it for yourself.
I’ll start with the soft stuff:
Our City and Nation depend on the Church
The contribution of Christian faith to every level of our society, its history, laws, institutions, culture, values, community support, welfare services and overseas aid is far in excess of any other movement.
It may indeed be true that there is dependency on the Church for some things. But in my view, that’s exactly the kind of situation we should be addressing. To claim that the contribution of the Christian faith to our society is ‘far in excess of any other movement’ is an exaggeration and a straw man. The assertion conveniently excludes the greater umbrella of secular contribution to society, which is not a ‘movement’ as such, but is just the way we live. Indeed, it is an enhancement of this secular contribution that Humanists and atheists seek.
Church, Government and Society are largely ignorant of the vital place of the Church
It is only because society is ignorant of this, that society contemplates restricting Christian influence.
No, our society contemplates restriction of Christian influence because Christian ideals are in conflict with the ideals of our society. It is only Christians who think that the medieval morality of their Church is ‘vital’. Other people, like me, think it has an agenda that is overly influential. We are not in any way ignorant of what’s going on here – we know, and we object.
Correlation between Christian heritage and strong nationhood
“Christianity, and nothing else, is the ultimate foundation of liberty, conscience, human rights, and democracy, the benchmarks of Western civilisation. To this day we have no other options [to Christianityâ€.
Oh for Pete’s sake. Now the rhetoric starts. This, of course, is complete and utter bullshit. First of all it makes the conceited assumption that ‘Western civilization’ is better than any other way of living. What utter racist gall. ((Rather shabby argument too, considering that as we will see in a bit, Christians pride themselves on their tolerance and lack of racism.)) This statement is demeaning to every culture on the planet that does not have a Christian heritage. As usual, Christians are putting themselves on the top of the pile, and somehow don’t find it hypocritical that they target atheists and others as ‘arrogant’.
In addition, I don’t think I need to point out to anyone with even a little bit of history and philosophy that Christians can hardly take the credit for ‘liberty, conscience, human rights, and democracy’. They seem to have forgotten that the Ancient Greeks and Romans were doing pretty well on that score before Jesus came along. Not to mention that they conveniently ignore some of the appalling subjugation of those ideals by Christianity through the ages (God, according to his own Word, is certainly not too fussy about ANY of those things).
Individual Influence of Christian Faith
“If you are a church-goer you are more likely to take the opinions of other people seriously, more determined to make a contribution to society, more inclined to think that life is meaningful, less likely to violate property rights or to harm other people, cheat on your taxes, avoid paying train fares or to take sickies. (“The Religious Factor in Australian Life†by Melbourne sociologists, Beverly Dixon and Gary Bouma 1983)
I’d be inclined to laugh at this if I wasn’t so angry. The Dixon and Bouma conclusions (which I don’t even really need to point out are 30 years old) are taken from information accumulated by the 1983 Australian Values Study, a self-reported survey carried out by the Roy Morgan Research Centre.
What’s happening here is something with which you should be very familiar if you’re a regular reader of The Cow. It’s a common tactic of a people who are being dishonest about what they are telling you: opinions are being touted as facts. The Australian Values Study shows us data about what people say they do. This is manifestly not the same as what people actually do. Being ‘more determined’ to make a contribution to society is not the same as actually making a contribution. Just because Christians say that they are less likely to violate property rights, harm other people, cheat on their taxes or evade train fares is not evidence that they act that way. In fact, an equally valid explanation for the statistical over-representation of Christians as being ‘morally superior’ is that they lied more about these things than other people on the survey. Unless some kind of evidence is put forward, the Dixon/Bouma statement – presented quite clearly here as ‘fact’ – is merely conjecture based on biased opinion.
I’m going to skip a few paragraphs here ((I can deflate most of the intervening rubbish as easily as I have done above, but it’s kind of tedious.)) and go on to something that really peeves me, before, in the next post, we look at the really offensive material.
Christian Schools
44% of secondary and 34% of all primary students in Victoria attend Catholic or independent (mainly Christian or Church-run) schools in Greater Melbourne (2006 Census). The percentage of students enrolling at state schools is falling and to independent (Christian) schools is rising – generally because parents see these schools give priority to Christian values or the style of education provided by them.
Wow – a fact! Yes, the enrollment rate in religious schools in Victoria is rising (indeed, VT & I send our own kids to a Christian school). ((It is the least doctrinal of all the Melbourne religious schools, as far as I can tell.)) But it’s not because ‘parents see these schools give priority to Christian values or the style of education provided by them’. It’s because the religious schools have better teachers. Why do they have better teachers? Because they are attracted by better wages than they can earn at a government school. Why can religious schools afford to pay teachers better? Because they have the triple benefit of their historically deep pockets, an ability to attract wealthier parents who will pay substantial fees, ((This happens through a kind of bootstrapping effect – a little bit more operating money than governments schools -> better teachers -> better education -> parents wanting the best for their kids -> higher fees -> a little bit more operating money -> better teachers… Not hard to see how it works. I don’t like participating in that scheme, but I also want my kids to have the best chance they can. And it has to be said, their school is very good. But it has NOTHING to do with religion.)) AND government support in the form of stipends and tax breaks! Why are there no atheist or Humanist private schools? Because they would not be eligible for any kind of government assistance! ((It is a sad state of affairs that government schooling in Australia does not get the kind of priority that it should. But it is a fact that private religious schools – which are money-making enterprises – have an effect on the budget that is allocated to government schools. Private religious schools, in my opinion, should be independent of government subsidy. The Christian church – for nearly all private schools in Australia are Christian – are REALLY afraid of this happening, because then they would need to survive on their assertion that ‘parents give priority to Christian values’ and would thus be prepared to pay an even greater premium for that privilege. Any sensible person knows how that scenario would play out. Indeed, if government schools could afford to pay better teachers – which might be possible if they had money that was being siphoned off by private schools – I think we could confidently predict a rapid decline in the enrollment numbers of private religious schools.))
And why, Faithful Acowlytes, would they not be eligible for government assistance? Because they are not RELIGIONS. Keep that thought in mind, because in a little bit you will see how Mr Isaachsen’s rhetoric causes him to be hoist with his own petard…
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Hrm. Think I disagree with your conclusion there. I think that if you check across every country, you’ll find that private schools will always be better than public ones, regardless of government or religious intervention.
They always have more funding, you see. But if you yank government help, then they just become more expensive, and so more the domain of the elite, and less of the middle class.
But since it’s their quality that they compete on (mostly, though they do also compete on the flavour of brainwashing provided), they know they absolutely *need* to attract the best teachers, so they will always pay better than the national average, and always attract the best.
They also (in most countries) have the ability to reject the lowest-ranking students, and provide scholarships to the best-ranking of the poor ones, so their stats can be made artificially high, attracting more rich people who want their kids to do well: “hey, this school is head and shoulders above the others in the league table, let’s get little Billy in there!”
Unrelatedly, I love the sound of that survey, and I’d be interested in the difference in answers between two surveys, one which asked about people’s morality first, then their religion; and one which asked about religion first, then morality.
It’s been shown that you can prime people with a question at the beginning: asking “how often are you depressed?” or “how contented are you?” at the beginning of a quality of life survey can skew the results drastically either way. I think for Christians, making them think about Christian morality before talking about their own morality would have a significant priming effect, probably enough to explain the difference in the results.
Oh, absolutely. But that, in fact, was not my conclusion. I don’t dispute that, regardless of religion, private schools are mostly superior – for all the reasons you give. And it may be that you’d never get an equivalent standard of education from a government school. The point is that, in this country at least, if I were to try and start up a private school based on Humanist values, I could not compete with the religious schools because I would not be eligible for the tax breaks religions get, nor would I get the government handouts that religious schools get. I would be forced to charge fees even higher than the religious schools do – which, believe me, are pretty damn daunting.
In Victoria, we have, to my knowledge, NO private schools that are not affiliated with a religion.
As a citizen and tax payer, I am supporting religious schools whether or not I send my children to them. Just as I am supporting religions like Christianity in general (religious organizations here pay no tax). I see this is a fundamental imbalance. Either secular groups like Humanists and atheists should be entitled to this kind of assistance, or religions should be taxed like any other money-making enterprise.
This is what all the rhetoric in the Transforming Melbourne document is really about – the Church is totally afraid that if people look too closely at it they will see exactly how much they get away with. This is why we see all the desperation to talk up the value of the Christian Faith, and (as we shall see in the next instalment) the attempt to paint atheists and other non-religious people as some kind of immoral evil army bent on bringing the world under Satan’s rule.
OK, yeah: giving tax breaks for religious businesses just because they’ve got a cross on the door isn’t reasonable, I think.
Though if that’s policy, I’d totally be tempted to start demanding tax rebates on baby Jesus buttplugs and Tom Waits’ “Chocolate Jesus”…
Even unrelatedlier, I found somewhere in Austin that sells the shootags – next time I drive into town, I’ll be taking some fun money with me, and grabbing one of their mosquito ones :D
Excellent! I would like your scientific assessment. There are some more interesting developments with ShooTag which I will investigate in due course…
Thank GOD for Anaglyph.
The fact that this article keeps referring to Christian faith instead of religion is particularly arrogant and annoying. And indicative of the bizarre dislike of one religion for another.
Crazy stuff. I am going to go and play with the new royal puppy, who is very sensibly thinking of food and toys.
I see this whole Transforming Melbourne document as an endorsement of something I’ve long believed – religions in this modern age are paying lip service to the ‘we are tolerant of everyone’s belief’ trope, but when it comes to the wire they are racist and divisive. It’s such a fundamental part of their doctrine that they can never really escape it.
Thank god for Blogs like this! Thank god for Richard Dawson!! Or thank whom ever you choose for Christopher Hitchens et al, else we’d be swimming in christian verbal poop. My personal mantra is:
“The world cannot move forward until we throw off the rotten albatross of religion.”
There! got it off my chest!…..
So, how’s by you Rev?
You wait till you see what Mr Isaachsen has to say in Part II of his tract… You think this bit is maddening?!
fetal position…thumb in mouth…blanket in hand…tears
I’m curious. Do you have non-Christian religious schools in any number in Australia? I’ve from East-coast US, and while there are a large number of Catholic schools, there are also a rather large number of Jewish schools and non-religious private schools. The secular schools do seem to have a higher tuition, but I don’t know how the Jewish schools compare with Catholic schools. And while many non-Catholics will send their kids to Catholic school, the Jewish schools seem to be more Jewish only. Do you see dynamics like that in Australia?
On a slightly more depressing/upbeat note, it makes me feel a little better that we in the US aren’t the only ones battling the crazy religious people who want to infringe on our freedom from religion since they feel that it impacts their freedom of religion. Crazies exist everywhere, I guess.
Well, I guess I should be clear on my definition of ‘schools’. I’m talking exclusively about primary and secondary education here – that is, kids from beginning school through to the end of high school (they leave high school at 18 in Australia). For those schools, there are, as far as I’m aware, there are no schools in this category that are not religiously affiliated.
There is a certain amount of duplicity that goes on in respect to declaring religious credentials. If you look at lists of private schools you see, occasionally, the declaration of ‘non-denominational’ or in rare cases ‘no religious affiliation. This list of Victorian boarding schools is typical.
You will see that 2 schools list as non-religious: Girton Grammer (Religion: none) and St Katherine’s (Religion: non-denominational). Both are being duplicitous. Visiting the Girton website shows it to be an Independent Christian school that ‘…strives for excellence both in academic and co-academic areas of education in a Christian, caring environment.’ You don’t even need to bother to click on a link for a school with the name ‘St Katherine’s’ to get an idea of its bona fides. This strategy is nothing more than a marketing ploy. These schools are aware of the high secular nature of Australian society and are just attempting to garner more students. I will emphasise again: private schools here are a business venture. They make money.
The school that my own kids attend is one of the least ‘religiously inclined’ of the Melbourne schools, and its educational religious component is slight. Nevertheless, it still has compulsory chapel, religious services of various kinds and a chaplain. My estimation is that only a third of the families of kids who attend are overtly religious. Most of my kids’ friends are not.
When it comes to tertiary education, there are many non-religious private colleges. That’s basically due to one simple fact: the playing field is more equal. Tertiary institutions are not eligible for the same kinds of government benefits as primary and secondary schools. I suspect that once kids get into tertiary education, the religious schools also have a great deal more trouble attracting them. The early years of schooling are a better bet for religions because young minds are much easier to brainwash. In addition, the wages for tertiary teachers are generally better, and many government universities are able to factor in a business component to their structure (unlike secondary schools).
There are of course religiously run tertiary colleges, but they tend to attract students for whom religion is an important life factor.
As far as Jewish schools are concerned, the same situation exists here: most kids attending Jewish schools are Jewish. Catholic schools attract mostly Catholics, but it is not a prerequisite in many schools. We also have a much larger Anglican religious component than the US, I believe.
I would make a guess that a substantial component of the population of all religious schools in Australia holds no religion. It is currently assumed that about 20% of Australians are non-religious, based on census data. This figure could very well be low, based on the tendency for people to answer the ‘Religion’ question on the census form with the religion of their family, whether or not they actually hold a religious belief. A new census was just held here, and there was a big encouragement from the Australian Rationalists (and others) for people to check ‘No Religion’ if they really held no religion. I suspect we’re going to see about a third of Australians holding No Religion when the census information is made public.
No prizes for understanding that this is exactly what Mr Isaachsen and his Christian cronies are afraid of. They really don’t like the idea that as many as 1 in 3 people they meet on the street is a heathen…