Sat 7 Mar 2015
Hollowgrams
Posted by anaglyph under Blogging, Gadgets, Hokum, ShooTag, Skeptical Thinking, SmashItWithAHammer, Stupidity, WooWoo
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I wanted to add one further post about the CieAura scam. I found out so many things while I was researching it, that I simply couldn’t fit them in the narrative without making it labyrinthine with detours. So this will be a kind of round up of CieAura ephemera and thoughts from me about it.
• One thing that I wanted to talk about was the large web presence of this racket. Searching the name brings up over 200,000 primary hits, and as you begin to spool through the highest ones, the first thing you notice is that very few of those hits are disparaging of the product. This might lead an undiscriminating researcher to conclude that any negativity against it – such as mine – is rare. It doesn’t take long to discover that CieAura is working the SEO like crazy – either through actively cross linking itself with itself, or getting other people (probably its reps) to do so. And make no mistake, CieAura is an internet whore. Wherever it can get its name mentioned, it does, sometimes numerous times in a paragraph. CieAura ‘comments’ are scattergunned through forums and user groups, often completely irrelevantly (trading on open and poor moderation). If you’re like me, the next thing you think to do is search ‘CieAura scam‘. You get many fewer results, and some of them are useful. The interesting thing, though, is that there is a significant proportion that look like they’re offering advice about being scammed, but turn out to be sales pitches – this demonstrates an active process of attempting to hoover up folks who might be doubtful about the product, and are sensible enough to do a search on it. It’s an eerie and creepy tactic and after I’d seen it a few times, my skin was really starting to crawl.
• When you do encounter users of CieAura on the forums, they are almost universally effusive about the product. If someone makes a comment like ‘it’s a scam, they don’t work’ you can bet there’ll be a chorus of others who dispute that. The likelihood is very high that the original comment came from someone who used the chips, and the rebuttals from people selling them.
• CieAura makes a big deal about the chips ‘not putting any drugs in your body’. This paranoid fear-mongering squares with Melissa Rogers’ and Kathy Heiney’s persistent mantra about ShooTag ‘not using any chemicals’. This is plainly an attempt to leverage prospective customers’ distrust of modern medicine as part of the sales pitch. ((A distrust that, while having a modicum of legitimacy, is blown way out of proportion by so-called CAM modalities. Yes, pharmaceutical companies are sometimes not the most honourable people in the world, but there’s a lot of pot-calling-the-kettle-black going on. Particularly when we consider the likes of CieAura, PowerBalance, Sensa Slim et al)) They really have all the angles on pushing people’s buttons.
• You can’t buy CieAura in any other way than from a sales representative. The CieAura website (and others I found) makes it seem that you can, but you just can’t. Try it if you like. You’ll always end up getting directed to a sales rep of one kind or another. At the very least this is another example of completely dishonest behaviour; why make it appear that you have a store and shopping cart on your site when you don’t? If the product is a completely legitimate one, and efficacious as it’s made out to be, why can’t I just order some, like I can do with anything else I want to buy? This speaks once again to the real mechanism in operation here: CieAura doesn’t care about selling the product as much as it does about recruiting chumps to sell it. That, there can be no doubt by now, is where the bulk of the money generation lies (see below to how relevantly this speaks to CieAura being a pyramid scheme).
• There are numerous CieAura ‘training’ videos on YouTube and elsewhere. If you’ve ever had someone attempt to ensnare you in a scheme like Amway or Herbalife, these whitebread airbrushed zombies with their lame xeroxed script will be quite familiar to you.
“Once you take care of your family, then you can help others…” says Mr Less-Charisma-Than-A-Dog-Turd. That’s right folks, make sure you screw your family first, because they’re the least likely to go to the cops. This tactic has the additional advantage that it will make you feel like you’re getting somewhere if you get a few ‘sympathy purchases’ out of the starting gate. But after you’ve worked your way through your mum & dad & siblings, and alienated what are probably the last of your friends, you’ll find out mighty quickly that the Law of Large Numbers has taken care of any other suckers that might give you the time of day. By then, Paul Rogers has already spent your money on another of his awful suits.
And this idea that you’re ‘helping’ people is loathsome. How are you helping them? By foisting off on them some stupid twinkly little stickers that do nothing that’s even vaguely rooted in reality? Or by lumbering them with a business ‘opportunity’ that they’ll chip away at for a month or two before realising that, as always, a real job requires either some experience or a level of honest toil doing something useful. There is only one way to get easy money in this world, and that’s to piss all over other people.
I really detest the way that this whole thing is vaunted as decent business. This is not business, it’s out-and-out screwage. This is what people who are assholes think business means. I’ve run several successful businesses in my time and I have never found the need to treat anyone I work with, work for, or employ, like these people do. If you’re considering opting into the CieAura marketing scheme, take it from me, the people on the top of the pyramid don’t give a flying fuck about you or whether you succeed, no matter how heavily they peddle that message. Once you’ve put down your first few hundred, they’ve got what they want. Anything else they can string you along for is a bonus. If someone tells you they’ve made money out of CieAura – and that person is not Paul Rogers, because he certainly has – then you can bet your ass that person is another CieAura rep trying to recover a few dollars of the debt she’s no doubt carrying. To reiterate from last post: whatever CieAura might present this whole deal as, it’s a pyramid scheme. Go here and read this carefully so you understand why it can never work for you.
It’s mathematically impossible for everyone to make money in a pyramid scheme. For example, if each recruit needs to find 10 more people to recoup the cost of his or her initial investment, the eighth level of the pyramid would have to recruit a billion people to make back their money. And the next level would need 10 billion, nearly twice the population of the Earth. ~How Pyramid Schemes Work
• CieAura, no doubt, would object to being called a pyramid scheme. They would probably define themselves as a Multi Level Marketing program. They do this for a very, very good reason: in 1979, the US Federal Trade Commission ruled that Amway, a huge company that runs on this kind of system, was NOT a pyramid scheme. The fine points of exactly why not, are almost impossible to fathom, really, but in any case you can go here and determine for yourself how CieAura would fare if called to account by the FTC.
Here are a few points the FTC gives (from many) for differentiating a pyramid scheme from a ‘genuine’ MLM. ((I still think MLMs are dangerous swindles too, but apparently in the US, where money is the only thing important to a lot of people, the FTC has been swayed on that point.))
• Avoid any MLM that puts much more emphasis on recruiting salespeople than selling the actual product.
• Make sure that the products being sold have real value and a competitive price.
• Avoid signing up for an MLM as part of a high-pressure motivational event.
• Bottom line: If it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.
Any of that sound like CieAura? You see how they’re attempting to navigate around the strict definition of a pyramid scheme by selling a ‘product’? But the value of that product is completely fabricated, so having a ‘competitive’ price is a meaningless concept. They just put on any price they can get away with, because the thing is not ‘competing’ against anything but fairy dust. It’s lies wrapped up in deceit and tied with a bow of bullshit.
And it might not hurt to keep in mind that the people at the top of that CieAura pyramid are closely related to entities like BurnLounge who have been found criminally culpable of defrauding consumers via a pyramid scheme masquerading as a Multi Level Marketing opportunity (this does not, I hasten to add, make them criminals merely by association. But it does speak to the kind of company they keep, and the kinds of companies they keep, if you get my drift).
That’s all on CieAura for now, but I have a feeling we’ve not spoken the last words about them…
Ha ha great title!
… Nearly double the population of earth…
What, is it 1994 again?
This is from a fairly old FTC advice. These schemes and rulings have been around for a LONG time. Remember, The Amway case was bought, appealed and ruled in 1979.
And they do say ‘nearly’.
And to put it into perspective, the tenth level of the pyramid – that is, only ten people removed from Paul Rogers – would need more people than the total of people who have ever lived on Earth, to break even.
Even with a “True MLM” (whatever that is), with enough levels and without limitations on awarding new franchises, you’ll eventually run out of customers when every human being on the planet is a product rep; long before that, the ratio of reps to customers will reach the point that no rep can break even any longer, unless the company limits the number and density of reps.
Really, in the age of the internet & the WWW with the ability to reach and be reached by any customer anywhere in the world, is there really any legitimate need for MLMs?
I did a fair bit of reading about MLMs when I was researching this piece and my conclusion is that they are really only nominally ‘legitimate’ as business practice. It seems to me the conflict of legitimacy lies in the boundary between allowing as much freedom of commerce as possible and greed enabled by fraud. It’s quite plain that MLMs can make a shitload of money for the people who start them up, and if you approach it with that as your principle goal, then it’s easy to see how to leverage it for yourself: you make the product as cheap to manufacture as you can. Of course, if you’re selling a real product, this puts you directly in competition with any other marketer selling the same product. Dang. So what you need is a ‘value added’ product – something that is ‘unique’ and cheap to manufacture, but that you can sell at an exorbitant price (remembering that you’re not selling to an end user here – that would put you in competition again). It’s no coincidence, then, that much multi-level marketing occurs in the fringe areas of woo: ‘health’ foods, vitamins, health gadgets and so forth. MLM schemes are almost predominately this kind of useless crap.
I’m sure you’ve followed the Herbalife saga – there’s a demonstration of why it’s so difficult to stamp them out. In my opinion (and the opinion of a lot of other people) Herbalife is definitely a pyramid scheme. But it’s so moneyed up it can fight pretty much any assault against it. And it’s just selling crap ‘herbal’ products at huge markup. Nothing more than a money generator for the people at the top.
Apparently, then, the only difference between these products and religious ones is the blessing of a head of church?
I mean, the pope is basically selling baptisms through various levels of exactly the same sort of thing. Can I just call myself a non-profit and sell words, words you can buy from me for apportionments?
Is there any fundamental difference between a sheik promising his congregation seventy-two virgins if he just recruits everyone he can in exchange for alms, for offerings?
I mean, even religious people can get away, legally, with saying their worldview is supported by real science when it isn’t, and collecting money every Sunday from people who equally well don’t know better.
I guess I’m asking, is a prayer a ‘value-added’ service exactly like a woo-tag or a 100x homeopathic elixir? Don’t most governments consist of ‘value-added’ promises to constiuents who try to recruit and collect monies for the people at the top of the various parties?
Nah, I must be paranoid. Everyone knows it’s only corporations who get away with this stuff. The rest is ‘religion’ or ‘politics’ or other stuff that …. isn’t MLMs?
It’s all part of the same big bucket of snake oil.
Great work, Rev. Fascinating to read that such scoundrels manipulate the internet so well. It is not business and it is not decent.
I’m curious, in looking at MLMs, have you ever looked specifically at park Lane Jewelry?
I didn’t know of them – I don’t think they’re down here. But jewellery is a perfect place to operate a marketing scam, because the relationship between the manufacture price of the product and the end product is so flexible. From reading their site, though, they’d be very safe. They fall well within the parameters that protect Amway.
Even so, CieAura provides a MUCH better opportunity; the product costs fractions of a penny to manufacture, there is little competition, and virtually no freight charges to worry about. And I absolutely BET that they don’t worry about insurance for the worthless things.
From the FB feed of a friend who is a Park Lane rep:
“With more than 30 years of Direct Sales experience, I’ve seen Companies come and go. What’s most disturbing is the negative affect they have on customers, distributors and leaders.
I’ve been repeatedly asked the difference between Park Lane Jewelry, a Direct Sales company with 60 years of success, is debt-free and takes the smallest operations margins in the Industry, and a Multi-Level Marketing company.
How does Park Lane compare with all the start-up companies that promise unrealistic earning opportunities? One rarely sees a profit check — only unsubstantiated income claims.
Beware of the following with these companies who fall in this category:
• More focus on sponsoring than retailing (selling products).
• No methods to generate business beyond the people you already know.
• They promote huge investment expectations that allow you to benefit from immediate sponsoring.
• Most of these products are promoted as consumable when in fact people can have negative health issues that pose a liability to the salesperson. Our skin is our largest organ. Why promote something that could have an adverse effect on even one person with the purpose of making money?
• Many quotas and expectations in order to make money that fosters stress and pressure.
• Monthly commissions which are continually altered based on your performance and rolls to up-line when you don’t have all your I’s and T’s crossed.
• No travel trip offered to the masses. The incentives are exclusively available to those at the top.
Now this is the biggest problem: not only are you asking for people’s investment but their credit card must be hit each month for more product before you may have completely used what was purchased. The most unfortunate feature is they make it extremely difficult to be taken off the automatic credit card deduction.
When people discover this, the sponsor is working twice as hard to replace all those sponsored who are falling off (canceling their automatic renewal).
Can you imagine a 100 people getting their credit card hit when one Company pays you only $500 a month as they are falling off as fast as you can add them?
In Park Lane, you can do one good party and earn more than that without extracting money from others for things that don’t need. We don’t need to capitalize on the weakness of getting rich overnight — which is a misconception.
Park Lane Jewelry represents integrity, honesty, and a true opportunity that is real. I’m so grateful I discovered Park Lane, a company that is for the people. People make serious money in Park Lane Jewelry and I’m proud and honored to be a part of this amazing opportunity.”
Yada, yada , yada. Still an MLM; still has a significant focus on recruiting sub reps, many of whom won’t make a profit, but that’s because they’re not putting in the effort, right?
Sure, and one thing I can tell you from my extensive research into this topic is that you’ll NEVER find an active rep telling you anything bad about the company. Why? Well the answer is obvious – they want to recruit you. I notice that your friend uses this descriptor:
“People make serious money in Park Lane Jewelry and I’m proud and honored to be a part of this amazing opportunity.”
‘People’ make serious money. Not ‘I’ am making serious money. That sounds like an advertising pitch, not an endorsement from experience (It is most likely true. Some people are making serious money: the people at the top).
In fact, reading back over it, the whole thing sounds like a pitch.
Note: This was a reshare by my friend of someone else’s post. She didn’t write it, though she is also a Park Laine rep.
I don’t really know if my friend makes money (I suspect she probably makes some profit). Although I am very curious about the financial details, I don’t ask, but she did just get a free trip to Paris.
Regardless, I just can’t get past the idea that the MLM model (and regardless of what my friend’s friend said, Park Laine is clearly an MLM)is a fundamentally flawed model that makes even less sense in the age of the internet.
Regarding that free trip to Paris and the guy specifically mentioning “No travel trip offered to the masses.”, I suspect there’s something significant to that, in that they can probably bulk buy airfare and hotel bookings on the cheap such that the value those trips impart to their reps is far above the actual cost to them. (You go on the trip at the same time with a bunch of other PL reps; you don’t get to go by yourself whenever you want.) They likely prefer giving their reps free trips over functionally equivalent cash rewards.
I don’t aim to cast aspersions on the truthfulness of your friend, but I’m gonna unravel this a bit: I’m assuming you only have her word that the trip was ‘free’. Free can have many meanings, according to how you desire to interpret it, and one meaning could be “I’ll tell other people it was free, but it was actually recoupable from future earnings”. Or it could be “It was a free trip to Paris, via my paid trip to London”. Or it might be “It was free on condition that you sign up 10 more reps”. Or as you say, a compensation in lieu of earnings. Or somesuch.
To be honest, I wouldn’t trust a single word from people involved in any of these schemes. I have a cousin who is an Amway rep, and I am all too familiar with the thousands of ways the truth can be twisted to make it sound like you really should be selling Amway. All I can say is that she and her husband have a shed full of Amway crap, and many fewer friends than previously. They certainly are not earning the five thousand dollars a week they pitched to me.
And to be clear, some of these schemes are legitimate business enterprises – you can conceivably make some profit. Just not the pie-in-the-sky profit that is often pitched. If you’re selling an actual useful product, you are, in effect, just a salesperson. But like any job, you’ll have to work damn hard to make a living out of it.
I did a bit of investigation of the Park Lane stuff. It looks like mass-produced (probably Chinese made) costume jewellery to me. It’s what I call value-added junk. In fact all jewellery is, in many ways, in that the sale cost is usually exponentially greater than the material cost. If you’re selling to an undiscriminating market (and I’m guessing that’s yer average Park Lane customer) then you can easily get some cut glass and plated chain whipped up for a few pennies and sell it for three hundred bucks – as long as it looks pretty. That’s a chunky profit margin right there. And I bet the people at the top who are selling this stuff to the reps are scooping off the bulk of it from the get go.
It’s not as bad as the Cie Aura scam, in that at least they’re selling something, but it’s a tenuous something.
To give you an example, I somehow ended up on the mailing list of a trashy marketer called TopBuy (I stay subscribed for the frequent lulz). They often have deals like this:
The catch is that you pay for the postage. The manufacture cost of these items is so small, that apparently they can skim a profit from a margin on the postage!!