Sun 3 May 2009
Copper
Posted by anaglyph under Hokum, Skeptical Thinking, Sound, WooWoo
[32] Comments
You may remember that, in the ‘wine horoscope’ post a few days back, I said that ‘hokum flourishes in places where there is a substantial amount of subjectivity and a stratosphere of opinionated ‘experts’’. Wine is not my field, so aside from pointing out the obvious ridiculous claims made by the wine sellers in that particular case, I’m not really qualified to comment on the mechanics of the business with any technical authority.
There is another field, though, that is rife with its own 101 Flavours of Claptrap that I am qualified to take on, and that is the mysterious club of ‘high end home audio’.
It’s hard to know where to start with ‘professional’ hi fi. There is so much misinformation and gobbledegook that pretty much wherever you turn there’s some implausible gadget or other for improving your sound, from gold-plated connectors, through pens that make CDs ‘clearer’ to (quite unbelievably) expensive wooden knobs* for your amplifier. And that’s not even tippy-toeing into the world of serious audio fruitcakes.
But today I’m going to examine the simplest, and perhaps the most exploited of all hi fi components: speaker cables. The hyperbole spouted by the vendors of these products is voluminous. Their ‘oxygen free, polarized di-electric, elevated-off-the-floor, cryogenically chilled’ cables will make your muddy cloth-filtered music sound like it’s been triple-washed in Persil! It’ll come out of the speakers at a fidelity beyond studio quality!
What’s going on here? Can some bits of wire really make that much difference? Well, yes and no. First of all there’s an important point to note about speaker cables – they carry a much higher level signal than anywhere else in the audio chain because it is amplified. In practical terms, what this means is that your actual modulated raw audio signal is at its most powerful going from your amp to your speakers. Why is that important? Because at this time the electrical signal is bumped up way beyond the noise level of all the other components in the system – most of the stuff that can be done to affect the fidelity of the signal itself has already been done.†
That being said, what becomes significant is the best way to get the electrical signal from out of your amp into your speakers with the least impediment possible, and this essentially comes down to one thing: providing the happiest and least reactive conduit for your excitable electrons to travel along. Now there are some mitigating factors involved: no matter how good your path is there is some wear and tear on how well the electrons fare. They are effected by the quality of the conductor, the distance they have to travel and other electrical phenomena such as capacitance and inductance. But here is the critical point: none of these are really much of a problem in ten feet of speaker cable. In addition, even if you were able to demonstrate some non-optimal electrical artifacts over such a short distance, it is unclear what effect, if any, these have in relation to audio fidelity.‡
So. What is the most important factor to consider in getting your electrical signal to your speaker? Just one thing: lots of copper. Copper is a terrific conductor of electricity. It’s very kind to the electrons as they pass though, giving them the easiest path to travel that they could ever want. And when we’re talking about ten feet, all being said, that’s really not that much copper.
I’m now going to give you a tip that will save you hundreds of dollars and make your hi fi system sound as good as the very nerdiest of your audio-buff friends: for your speaker connections, forget all about the oxygen free, diode rectified, dipped-in-chocolate, used-only-by angels $1000-per-foot Pear cables** and instead just use a good quality twin core electrical cable.
That’s it! Use some wire like this and no-one on the planet will be able to tell the difference between it and the most expensive cable you can buy! I found the stuff above for less than $2 a metre and you can do even better than that. Sum total for speaker cable for my studio: $45. And that’s for a full 5.1 sound set up, with 6 speaker sources.
Audio buffs like to pontificate ad nauseum about the how much difference the supposed ‘high end’ speaker cables make but to those of us who work in the business they just look like idiots – we don’t use those kinds of cables! So what these people are claiming is that they can hear better sound in the reproduction of the material than we heard when we made it! That, of course, is an absurdity of the highest order.
I’d like to end with a true story. Many years ago, a hi fi aficionado acquaintance of mine invited me around to hear his new system. He had spent many thousands of dollars on components, and waxed lyrically about his new speaker cables, which, he said, had improved the fidelity of his music by an impressive order of magnitude. Knowing about my skepticality of such claims, he swore that even I would notice! He sat me down and pressed play on one of his favourite jazz recordings. Could I perceive a superior sound quality? Was I astonished at the clarity of his sound? Well, not so much – I spent a more than a few minutes coming to grips with the fact that his speakers had been wired out of phase, a much more egregious degradation of the listening experience than even speaker leads made of string would have inflicted. And something that he had not even noticed.
I’m not suggesting that all hi fi buffs would make such an obvious mistake, but the thing is, my friend had invested so much money and faith in his audio gear that he had little choice but to believe that he was witnessing superior sound reproduction. And I do suggest that this phenomenon, like that which we saw at work in the ‘wine horoscope’ hoodwink, has more than a little part to play in influencing the subjective experience of listening to recorded music…
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*It seems pretty clear to me that the most significant knobs in this equation are the ones forking out the money. Seriously – read the blurb on the link to the ‘Silver Rock ‘Signature’ knobs and tell me that the manufacturers aren’t having a very good laugh at the silly hi fi twits’ expense. You’d be forgiven for thinking it really was a joke, if this very same company wasn’t selling speaker cables for over a thousand dollars…
†Excluding, of course, what is done by probably the most important component of all – the speakers themselves. But we’re not talking about speakers for the moment – that’s a whole other ballgame.
‡Another sign of the magical thinking involved in high end audio comes in the form of the following dichotomy: hi fi buffs will argue till they’re blue in the face that analogue sound is superior to digital sound. They insist that there is something called ‘warmth’ that comes from analogue that doesn’t make it into the digital world. Why, then, are they so happy to eschew the old, simple twin core speaker cable used on nearly every analogue hi fi system ever made up until about the late 1970s (when the hi fi craze really started to take off)? What if the old cables contributed to that warmth…? Paradoxes such as these are another flag for spotting pseudoscience.
**James Randi put forward his famous Million Dollar Challenge to the makers of Pear cables, to demonstrate in a double blind test that their product would outperform a cheap good quality cable of the same length. Predictably, after first calling the Challenge a hoax, and then (as is so often the way) resorting to ad hominem attacks against Randi, Pear’s CEO Adam Blake refused to participate. This is an unequivocal admission of flim flam. If your product performs as claimed, you can only come out of the Randi Challenge looking absolutely golden (with the added advantage of $1000,000 cash in your pocket). If you back out, then this surely indicates that you are afraid that the results will not bear out the hyperbole in your marketing. This, in turn, indicates that you are deluded or a swindler.
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What th Revrend says is 100% correckt … IF all yer listnin to is, like, musick & stuff.
But if yer makin recordings o spirit voices, fokes, then trust me … yer gonna want nothin but th Pear cables for th playback.
I suspeckt evn Randi woud agree.
I love this speaker stuff because like the Reverend I find it so much rubbish. Some interesting things to add to his observations are:
1.. That even if you bough expensive cables, you have no control of the cables going from the back of the speaker box terminal to the speaker, nor from the rear of the amp connectors to the amplifier circuitry. These are most certainly not some esoteric cable. This would then render the expensive cables useless as the damage has been done.
2.. Most Professional studios now employ powered speakers, where the speaker and the amplifier are built into the same box. The manufacturer can match the amp to the speaker (and even incorporate feedback technology to determine and correct for any speaker non linearities i.e. distortion ) and the cable runs from amp to speaker are only a few cm. There is also no need for lossy and ineffective passive X-overs which would do more damage to the sound than any other single element in the audio chain. (the crossover splits the signal from the amp into Low and Hi frequency components that are then directed to the Woofer and Tweeter. In a Powered speaker this is done before amplification with a very high spec electronic X-over that then feed 2 separate amplifiers that feed the speakers (in a 2 way system) This eliminates losses in the Passive crossover and IM distortion (the bane of Passive designs )
3.. Often the so called audiophile cables have large capacitance that does in fact attenuate High end signals usually in the above 20k Hz region but audiophiles maintain that this area (although beyond human hearing) is important for accurate reproduction of Music.
4.. Most audiophile have no idea how music is recorded and the compromises that are made in the recording process, they might be surprised how many audio professionals think that the whole audiophile fraternity is a big Joke. That is not to say that they are not interested in getting a great sound, but they realise that things such as Room design and speaker placement are much more important to a great sound than some copper cables.
I will be impressed when I go to an audiophiles house and they take me to a listening room that has been designed by an acoustic engineer with Bass traps, diffusers and other acoustic treatments.
my 2c
S.
PS the REV and I have discussed this at length over an Ardbeg or 2 in the past.
When did you get into Scientology and their crazy machines?
I find such reasoning to be quite … ummm …
(*gets th hookski*)
How much do I have to spend to make Shakira sound good?
Joey: Pear cables probably enhance the fidelity of spirit voices. At least they may as well claim that, eh?
hewhohears: Despite the calling of the bluff of Pear and the ignominious backdown of Adam Blake, there are people all over the audio lists defending the cables. It’s the grandest demonstration of the Emperor’s New Clothes that you could want. If the cables are as spectacular as Pear claims, all they have to do is sit back and watch Randi lose his million bucks. But, like all promoters of pseudoscience, when it comes down to the wire they do not have confidence in their product to put it under genuine scientific scrutiny. It’s amazing to hear some of the excuses proffered as well – it’s fundamental religious denial in another dress.
Malach: I bet you spent a thousand bucks for the speaker cables on your hi fi, right?
Atlas: Go for the cheap cables. It might help with cheap music.
in the rock and roll world, they still cling to tube amps. “Can’t you hear the difference? Damn, woman, what’s wrong with you?”
buying my home audio/theater system, the salesman briefly tried to get me to buy more expensive components. couldn’t hear a bit of difference. bought the lower end stuff. just wanted speakers in my ceilings, tv’s on my walls and the whole thing run from a single remote…
For Shakira listening, I’d buy some nice cheap cables, and a pair a wire-cutters. If any sound comes through the cables, employ the wire-cutters until the desired sound level is achieved.
Come to think of it, some lengths of brown string might be a cheaper alternative.
my electrons are excited by all this audio talk.
I used to build home theatre systems for people when I was a kid. I learned more or less anything important about that sort of out of studio sound from working sound at concerts and such. It always came down to avoiding bullshit.
That being said, I would always hear complaints if I used anything but gold plated connecter eight gauge wire from whatever manufacturer had lit up Hi Fi Monthly in the latest issue. I hated that.
When audiophiles start talking, my eyes glaze over and my balls retract.
Or maybe my balls glaze over…I can never remember.
Daisyfae: How dare you…
One things fer sure: You WONT hear spirit-voices wif ordinary speakr-cables.
Yulia loves gold-
Speaker connections, rings, coins.
Write her again, Rev.
daisyfae: There’s a whole lotta miles between ‘difference’ and ‘accurate’. That’s the problem. Anyone can legitimately argue that they prefer one kind of sound over another – that’s completely their right. Personally, I prefer tube amps when it comes to guitars too – but it’s not because the sound is a more accurate representation of an amplified guitar; it’s because the valve amplification colours the sound with distortion and clipping and harmonics and all kinds of dirty crap that we like in guitar sounds. But please note – this is most definitely not an argument you’ll ever hear from audiophiles. That’s the hi fi buff equivalent of a homeopathy advocate agreeing that it works by magic.
JR: The problem with the string would be that some sound still might get through… Too much of a risk for me.
Colonel: Down boy!
Casey: Of course, all the mumbo jumbo has now started working its way into the video side of things as well. hewhohears and I have recently been most amused by the proliferation of gold-plated optical connectors for audio & video. People are forking out for this shit! In my studio, the optical audio connectors are %100 plastic!
(For those who are following this – the quality of the connectors on an optical cable is quite immaterial; the signal is transferred optically so there is no movement of electrons through metal)
Mike: Are glazed balls anything like glazed donuts?
Joey: Oh, I dunno. I think some people hear spirit voices pretty much anytime.
Colonel: Are you saying my Yuliya is a gold digger?
I just finished reading Audio technology magazine and one of the articles by a mastering engineer (a regular column) Talks about $17,000.00 IEC power cables, now this is funny enough, but then he says it makes a difference to the sound, WTF! He then tries to explain how this might happen, based on the amount of copper in the Cables and the poor connections that exist in cheap IEC cables. I was gobsmacked, in a magazine that is reasonably sensible for the most part, they are now touting pseudoscience. Now Rick, the articles author, does not suggest that we all rush out and but 50 of these for our studio, but he sourced medical grade IEC leads from OS and claims that they fit better and carry more current, well this may be so and they will probable no heat up as much as the cheaper ones or sparking due to ill fitting connections but as to improving the sound, I don’t think so.
Because music is so subjective, like wine, and religion, people can get away with murder because it is difficult, though not impossible, to prove them wrong. It is all about Faith.
S.
The argument might have some merit if you were talking about shipping your sound or power over Transatlantic distances, but again, the kinds of artifacts that these nitwits are talking about are simply irrelevant over a three foot IEC cable.
As you say – the biggest liability to the sound from a power cord is just bad mechanics, or poor shielding. Otherwise, what that guy is saying is absolute rubbish.
And it’s rather depressing to see pros espousing this guff. You should take him to task.
Yeah I used to work with the guy at AT before he was escorted from the building!!
Amen Rev, there’s a very funny post over at Gearslutz about some amps in wooden boxes. About half way through the posts it get very funny.
The King
The amplifier box material makes a difference to the sound? Oh spare me.
um, I asssumed I had nothing meaningful to add to this post – a Pearmetre of meaning in fact – but I have to reveal to Daisyfae that since the normal amp died in the castle scullery and King Willy replaced it with his spare tube amp, I am now officially a Tube Acowlyte. The difference is unbelievable to me.
Read the thread – it’s pretty funny around the middle.
Copper load of this:
You see wood used a lot in critical applications like aviation and aerospace. They never use metal cases for anything important, it’s always some exotic hardwood.
Ask anyone.
The King
Yeah well it’s a nice old tube amp, plenty of distorted harmonic info – and my old solid state amp (the one that it replaced) was dying and had leaky caps – so it was a rather unfair comparison.
The King
>>You see wood used a lot in critical applications like aviation and aerospace. They never use metal cases for anything important, it’s always some exotic hardwood.
Ah yes. How well I remember the old wooden Apollo… what was it? 12? 13? Solid beech, if I recall correctly…
Yep, aerospace uses a lot of wood.
All I want is the best sound from my Theremin recordings. How much do I have to spend on cables?
You don’t need any cables. The sound just goes via the air…. wooo-eee-ooo….
Do you pay more for bent copper?
In the long run.
You know, I have noticed the cable choices make a difference in the musical instrument side of things, but only for not creaming with whatever AC hum a room’s got.
I can’t wait to see you break into conniption when you start dealing with the guitar specific woowoo beliefs.
I don’t want to suggest that cables aren’t important at all – good quality shielded cables are a must, as are sturdy, properly attached connectors. It’s just that there’s a point beyond which it’s quite brainless to proceed. It’s like wine (or whisky) – there is certainly stuff you wouldn’t drink unless you were quite desperate, but when you hit a reasonable quality, you’re an idiot if you’re paying thousands of dollars for a swig.
As for guitar woowoo… I’m not sure I’m even game to go there.
Who knew “brown” was a good sound?
http://www.mveducation.com/invt/50047/
Good for all your spiritual awakenings.
As long as it doesn’t invoke the Brown Note too often…