Sat 17 Apr 2010
Kookaburra or, perhaps… Galah?
Posted by anaglyph under Australiana, Hokum, Skeptical Thinking, Stupidity, WooWoo
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In the last post we had a surprise visit from a proponent of ShooTag who, for some reason, opined in a lengthy diatribe that I would not ‘dare to bring yourself to publish (it) on your relentless “Ode to Yourself”‘. Au contraire my clueless friend. I’m not in the least afraid of your witless opinion. Indeed, I’ve decided to bring you to the front page of Tetherd Cow Ahead, where all might witness your risible babbling.
For those who missed it, this is the comment that ‘Kookaburra’ left:
Good Day, Mate! Greetings from your neighbor out in the bush. I have read the endless put-downs and verbal diarrhea you have so relentlessly put into this crusade against the shoo!tag product. It must be very, very threatening to you, for you to spend countless time and energy into trying to disclaim them. It makes people more and more interested in the product, since you seem to be so obsessed with it. I can only assume you are either:
1. A competitor in the industry of pest repellant’s.
2. Actually paid by shoo!tag to keep the controversy and interest in the product at a fever pitch.
Your undying attention and allegiance to this cause is kind of creepy, otherwise.
Anyway, because of all the attention, controversy and spotlight you have put on this product, I have just ordered the tags for myself, my horses and my dogs and will try them myself in the outback. The tags are being sold all over Australia, I have discovered…and in 5 other countries. I did my own investigating of the company, read a report where a major Venture Capitalist group has just invested several $100,000.00 in the company. Being a businessman, in the field of marketing, that does not speak to me as failure, or hoax, or voodoo. In closing, speaking to you from the heart – as a fellow Aussie, please do not makes all us blokes out to be so cruel, ignorant and close-minded. And since you obviously know so much about how this product does not work, please tell me exactly which tag you tested for yourself?
Apparently you have never had reason to use the tags, since you obviously never leave your spot in front of your computer monitor. Our country is vast and beautiful. Take a hike and clear your head and discover the beauty of actually LIVING your life, instead of trying to demean other’s.
Let’s see if you can dare to bring yourself to publish this on your relentless “Ode to Yourselfâ€.
Well, as King Willy so quickly pointed out, it takes about an attosecond for a real Australian to see that the person writing this is not one.
For a start, we just don’t start conversations with ‘Good Day Mate’, especially in correspondence. You might proffer a cheerful g’day to someone on the street, and you might even call them ‘mate’, but as a written appellation… sorry chum, you screwed it on the first three words. You also conflate the two ideas of ‘the bush’ and ‘the outback’ speaking as if they are one thing. Any real Australian knows the difference between those two concepts, especially someone who lives in one of those places. Kookaburra‘s idea of how Australians behave comes from the same lame ‘How To’ guide that brought you Outback Steakhouse. Kookaburra also manages to spell ‘neighbour’ and ‘diarrhoea’ in the American fashion, something that he can’t blame on an American spellcheck because his incorrect spelling of ‘repellents’ ((Let’s not even mention the egregious apostrophe)) plainly demonstrates that he isn’t using any kind of spellcheck at all. I think this duplicitous behaviour is a pretty good indication of the kind of people we’re dealing with here
However, Kookaburra, since you evidently think you have some kind of point let me dispel some of the illusions under which you appear to be labouring: ((See how I spelled that with a ‘u’? That’s how we do it here, for future reference))
•I am obsessed with ShooTag.
The ShooTaggers shouldn’t flatter themselves that they are anything special. They are not my sole concern when it comes to pseudoscientific rubbish. If you’d bothered to read my blog at all, you would know that ShooTag is just one of the many daft ideas that comes under my scrutiny. I object to all people who use worthless, unscientific quackery to fleece other people. You might like to read my thoughts on free energy, ‘power’ bracelets, homeopathy and magic water to see what kind of company I consider ShooTag to be in.
•I somehow find the product/concept/discussion (fuck, I don’t know) threatening.
Er. What? It’s a dumb little piece of plastic that does nothing. How is that threatening to anything (except people’s wallets of course)? Or do you mean it’s threatening to my worldview or something? Ha. There are thousands of scams like ShooTag – I’m not so much threatened as just plain disappointed with the greed and stupidity of certain members of the human race.
•It makes people more and more interested in the product.
I sincerely doubt that. If they bother to read what I say, I think they get a very good idea of what kind of product ShooTag is. Indeed, aside from comments from people affiliated with ShooTag, I receive mostly positive affirmations of my exposure of this silly item.
•I spend ‘countless time and energy’ (oh, the trashing of the language – it hurts, it hurts…) trying to ‘disclaim’ ShooTag (I think the word you’re looking for is ‘declaim’).
And yet I manage to have a productive career, tend to a lovely family and get to the movies occasionally. How do I do it?! Maybe it’s because it only takes a second to refute such ridiculous claims? Yeah, that’s gotta be it.
•I am a ShooTag competitor.
No I’m not.
•I am a ShooTag promoter.
Now see, you’re really not paying attention.
•Interest in ShooTag is at fever pitch.
Bwahahahahaha! Whatever you say.
•I’m kind of creepy.
Is that meant to be an insult?
•The tags are being sold all over Australia and in other countries.
So are homeopathic remedies and bottles of ‘vibrational’ water. It doesn’t make them functional or useful.
•A major venture capitalist group has just invested ‘several $100,000’ in the company and that doesn’t speak of failure, or hoax, or voodoo.
Really? And you say you’re a businessman? As far as I can see it this means only one of two things: either the investors are completely stupid, or they’ve scoped the huge untapped market of gullible pet owners and are happy to rip them off. It’s hardly impressive. Having money has never meant a person either has scruples or is smart.
•I am portraying ‘us blokes’ ((This oleaginous chumminess is about as puke-making as I can imagine. I am not your mate, mate – you are ignorant, foolish and deceitful. I choose my company a lot more carefully)) as cruel, ignorant and close-minded.
I say this every time I tangle with you people (oh, let’s just give up the pretense – this Kookaburra person is quite obviously someone from the ShooTag cartel) ((The ShooTaggers are quite prepared to pretend to be other people in a number of other forums)): you can convince me instantly that your product is effective by just showing me your science. If your tag works, you can prove it beyond all reasonable doubt by having a third disinterested party do some controlled double-blind experiments. It’s a basic requirement of all new scientific principles to satisfy this one criterion. It’s not even a hard thing to do. And yet you are unable to offer up any such data. Why is that? Because there is none!
My mind will be changed instantly when I see such conclusive proof. I am, in fact, totally open-minded in that respect. Where I am close-minded is when you try and tell me guff about ‘trivector energy fields’ and ‘quantum fractal geometry’ and ‘Schumann Waves’ – all of which constitute high level nonsense. To anyone with even a little scientific knowledge you are quite plainly pulling all this stuff out of your ass. You don’t have the foggiest clue what you’re speaking about.
As for ‘cruel’ – show me on my blog where I’ve been ‘cruel’. Sure, I’ve had fun demonstrating your absolute lack of science acumen, but hey, if you’re making these outrageous claims you’d better be able to deal with criticism or you’re toast.
As for ‘ignorant’, well, let me refer readers back to this post so they can make up their own mind which of us is the one who has never read a science text book in their life.
•I should ‘take a hike in ‘our’ vast and beautiful country and clear my head and discover the beauty of actually LIVING my life’.
Cobber, I’ve plainly seen a lot more of this country than you have with your fake online Australian accent and your shabby virtual Driza-bone. I don’t know who you are ((Although I have a pretty good suspicion)), but your presumption in telling ME to take a hike is as pathetic as it is transparent. I have to ask what it is that you feel threatened by, to undertake these sad little masquerades to defend your product.
If it worked, the simple fact is that you wouldn’t care what a lone Australian blogger thought.
•I haven’t tested the tags myself.
Oh, stay tuned my friend. I’ve got some really interesting things to reveal about ShooTag.
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quod erat demonstrandum Rev
As we like to say ‘downunder’.
Nice riposte as always.
The King
I sincerely doubt ‘Kookaburra’ will show ‘his’ virtual face again. He flubbed it so bad the first time that he’d have to spend a month researching Aussie slang to have even a chance of clawing back any ground. But we may see others from the ShooTag clan. They may think I can’t leave it alone, but they are very paranoid for people who are confident of their product.
It is here that we remember that it only takes one person to see that the emperor has no clothes to start the dominoes falling (to mix a few metaphors).
your quote….
“you can prove it beyond all reasonable doubt by having a third disinterested party do some controlled double-blind experiments. It’s a basic requirement of all new scientific principles to satisfy this one criterion. It’s not even a hard thing to do. And yet you are unable to offer up any such data. Why is that? Because there is none!”
No. Because they don’t HAVE to…it is tested in the mainstream market and found to be very effective on thousands and thousands of people and animals, thank you.
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your quote….
” •I am obsessed with ShooTag.
The ShooTaggers shouldn’t flatter themselves that they are anything special. They are not my sole concern when it comes to pseudoscientific rubbish. If you’d bothered to read my blog at all, you would know that ShooTag is just one of the many daft ideas that comes under my scrutiny. I object to all people who use worthless, unscientific quackery to fleece other people. You might like to read my thoughts on free energy, ‘power’ bracelets, homeopathy and magic water to see what kind of company I consider ShooTag to be in.”
“my concern…my blog…my scrutiny..my thoughts. I object, I consider. Me, my, I.”
You are totally right on this one. You are far too obsessed with YOURSELF and what YOU think to ever put anyone else before you.
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My misspelling a word…really? THAT is what you consider to be a MAJOR, bulleted focal point in your rebuttal?? Weak…and again showing how desperate and cruel you are to another human. Hey, you got the idea, didn’t you? None of us proclaim to have mastered the arts, the language, the sciences as well as you, old master of the anal glands. I am not interested in one-upping anyone on their grammar…and I quit participating in spelling bees in the 4th grade. The fact that you comment on such things show just how anal, controlling and extremely insecure you are.
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your quote….
“I’m not so much threatened as just plain disappointed with the greed and stupidity of certain members of the human race.”
Oh, jeez…and you know that’s ALL us ignoramuses of the world want to accomplish; make ourselves worthy of YOUR praise. Can you possibly get ANYMORE condescending or arrogant?
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If this product is such “silly, dumb, ridiculous, pseudoscientific rubbish, scam”
…then WHY are you wasting your highly intelligent and superior energy on recognizing it at all?
Oh, wait…maybe that’s how you make your salary in your “very productive career”??
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your quote….
“If you’d bothered to read my blog at all, you would know that ShooTag is just one of the many daft ideas that comes under my scrutiny.”
Are you completely out of your mind or just totally in love with yourself? Why, in God’s name, would I want to read MORE of your self-righteous shit? I didn’t WANT to read all this shootag bashing OR get involved with your sickening banter in the first place…I just stumbled across it in further researching the product.
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your quote….
•I spend ‘countless time and energy’ (oh, the trashing of the language – it hurts, it hurts…) trying to ‘disclaim’ ShooTag (I think the word you’re looking for is ‘declaim’).
Merriam-Webster results for the word: DISCLAIM
Main Entry: disclaim dis-!klAm
Pronunciation: \ dis-ˈklÄm \
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French disclaimer, from dis- + claimer to claim
Date: 15th century
Results
intransitive verb
15th century
1. to make a disclaimer
2.
a. obsolete to disavow all part or share
b. to utterly denial
transitive verb
1. to renounce a legal claim to
2. deny disavow – ∼ed any knowledge of the contents of the letter
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary copyright © 2009 by Merriam-Webster, incorporated
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I had really hoped that the long passing of time (and reproducing with other races) – had adequately diluted this kind of humanoid on our planet. I am referring to the inferior, criminal, hostile and defective genes that were banished from England and sent to a big island to live amongst themselves. But alas, there are still a few who are TETHERED to the dysfunctional and abhorrent behavior of those pitiful ancestors. ***************************************
your quote….
“to undertake these sad little masquerades”
oh, dear Anal-gland, (of course YOU operate under YOUR real name) and hide behind nothing, right?
P.S. I never said I was a native Aussie. I just stated that I live there…temporarily.
Unbelievable! Hilarious! Astounding! Wow, there is just so much wrong and revealing about “Kookaburra’s” comment that it’s hard to know where to start.
I’m always amazed by this idea – that really took off about the time Bush became president and reality TV became popular – that being intelligent, thinking critically, and even being able to spell is somehow threatening, arrogant and elitist. Oh, and even more bizarrely, ‘cruel’ and ‘close-minded’.
What’s that quote about being so open-minded your brain falls out?
Kooky, being ignorant is not something to proud of, mate. (By the way, Australians use the term ‘mate’ for people we don’t like as well. Confusing isn’t it?) At least you gave up the Aussie pretence. Wasn’t really working too well was it …?
And now, I leave the floor to the Rev, who will no doubt give this dropkick the reply he or she deserves (though “Kookaburra” just makes it too easy)…
Kookaburra:
Oh dear. A little touchy aren’t we? It’s kind of embarrassing to get caught out in a lie in public, eh? Well, brace yourself for more of it, because there’s a lot of crap floating down the river for ShooTag by my reckoning.
Let’s take a look at what you think you have for an argument now then, shall we?
•You say you don’t have to defend the ‘science’ behind ShooTag.
Yes you do. Your product is making claims that defy all sensible current scientific knowledge, with absolutely no rational basis. If you call it ‘magic’ then fair enough – go ahead and do anything you like and I won’t write about it – that doesn’t interest me. But call it science and expect me (and others) to take you to task. The fact that you’re selling it to lots of gullible people does not mean anything other than you’re good swindlers. That is, indeed, the point of my objection to ShooTag.
•You are indignant that I am voicing my opinion.
It’s my right. It’s my blog. If you don’t like it, go away. No-one is forcing you to be here.
•You say I considered your misspelling of a word to be a ‘major bulleted focal point’ of my rebuttal.
Really? It looks fairly circumstantial to me, and is mentioned only in passing in relationship to your flimsy masquerade as an Australian, as were my comments on your grammar and punctuation. It does not constitute part of my bullet point argument (which, if you cast your eye back over the post, you will see has bullet points). You seem overly touchy about the whole spelling/grammar thing – you have in fact, made a bigger deal out of it than I did.
I will also note just here (in case anyone missed it) how quickly Kookaburra has resorted to name-calling. Dear oh dear. Did it make you feel better, Kookabura? I hope so. (This seems to be a foible of all the ShooTag correspondents, pretty much. I guess it’s the only thing left if you don’t have facts on your side).
•You think (apparently) that I’m seeking your praise.
Personally, Kookaburra, I don’t give a rat’s arse (as a ‘fellow Aussie’ I’m sure you’re familiar with that expression) what you, or any of your cronies, think of me. Why would I? You are crooks and swindlers. The only opinions that inform my life are those of honest, smart, morally sound, hard working people. I’m not writing for you. I am very happy if you never come back here again.
•You say I’m wasting my time with ShooTag.
Oh yes, very well, I probably am. Even the small amount of time I devote to debunking idiot schemes is time I could be spending doing something far more productive like watching World’s Biggest Loser or jabbing pencils into my hand. Call me mad. Or call me anything you like, really – it’s one thing at which you do seem to excel.
•You refuse to read other examples of silly pseudoscientific schemes elsewhere on my blog.
Well, I’m not that surprised at that. I guess it must be hard going with only 4th grade spelling under your belt. And God forbid you actually learned something.
•You still think you used the word ‘disclaim’ in its correct context (nope).
Gee, you’re really hung up on your shortcomings with spelling and language aren’t you? Maybe if you didn’t focus so much on that and actually put forward some good arguments for why ShooTag does what it claims, we could have a proper discussion. Oh, silly me – I forgot. ShooTag doesn’t do what it claims and so you’re obliged to resort to childlike retorts and name-calling.
•You end with some disjointed paragraphs about Australian colonialism and even more name-calling, before finishing off with a spectacular lie.
Kookaburra, you are a deceitful, angry and ignorant person. You say ‘I never said I was a native Aussie’ when everyone reading (including yourself) knows full well that it was your intention to portray yourself that way. What about ‘us blokes’ being ‘fellow Aussies’ now, Kookaburra? What about ‘our’ vast and beautiful country where you have so much experience of the bush and the outback?
In your entire diatribe, a childish rant full of sleights, pouting and petulant dummy-spits, you have failed to even once attach yourself to anything resembling a coherent argument for why anyone should buy ShooTag.
Here, once more, is my assertion, and the only thing you need to concern yourself with:
I say ShooTag is a fraudulent product propped up by irrational pseudoscientific claims of efficacy. I say that the creators and vendors of ShooTag are knowingly trading on the ignorance and poor observation of their customers to fleece them of their money. I say ShooTag doesn’t work and that you can provide no scientific proof that it does.
If you don’t like what I say, you have two choices: ignore me and go away or defend your product with some facts. I would be happy with either of those outcomes. If your only talent is invective and name-calling, then really, it’s just sad and doesn’t help your cause.
“I will also note just here (in case anyone missed it) how quickly Kookaburra has resorted to name-calling.”
Really…me? Name calling? Thank goodness YOU never stoop to that, right?
“The fact that you’re selling it to lots of gullible people does not mean anything other than you’re good swindlers. ”
“You are crooks and swindlers.”
“Even the small amount of time I devote to debunking idiot schemes is time I could be spending doing something far more productive like watching World’s Biggest Loser or jabbing pencils into my hand.”
“I say ShooTag is a fraudulent product propped up by irrational pseudoscientific claims of efficacy. I say that the creators and vendors of ShooTag are knowingly trading on the ignorance and poor observation of their customers to fleece them of their money. I say ShooTag doesn’t work and that you can provide no scientific proof that it does.”
“Kookaburra, you are a deceitful, angry and ignorant person.”
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What I said:
“……and I quit participating in spelling bees in the 4th grade. ”
How you constantly twist what people say who don’t agree with you:
“I guess it must be hard going with only 4th grade spelling under your belt.”
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It’s weird. I have only visted about 7 blogs…ever. When somene emails me a blog site and tells me to check it out, I do when I have some extra time. So, the only ones I’ve “checked out” areones that were suggested to me. I don’t have time for this..especially when it it is used for these purposes. And, I’ve discovered that, the ONLY blogs who don’t use their real names are the ones who are spittng venom and trying to tear someone or something down.
If anyone is interested in reading what blogs are supposed to be about, please go to:
The Pioneer Woman, in Oklahoma USA.
It is a REAL ongoing story, about a REAL creative, caring and funny woman using her REAL name, giving REAL advice and help on issues, events and causes that help mankind in a very REAL and positive way. It is education and entertainment. It is about helping and caring and giving and sharing.
It’s about uniting and connecting us all in some mutual way.
I should never have written to this negative farce in Australia. He is miserable and has made me feel icky, which is exactly what he wants to acheive on his site. And this is not what blogs were meant for. I won’t let the wounded and bitter and cynical rule my thought pattern. I won’t let this negativity take up any more space in my life. Good luck, Analvice. I pray you get the help you need someday.
I rest my case folks – Kookaburra, caught out in a lie, desperately attempts to fume and splutter his/her indignity all over the place but still fails to produce any evidence at all that ShooTag is anything but a scam.
(Note the last paragraph – ‘Kookaburra’ is, and never was, in Australia. You really have to wonder why the ShooTag people are so worried about me. Maybe, just maybe they are starting to think they might get busted…).
Wow, Rev, I don’t know about you, but I am FLATTERED to be one of seven blogs visited by Crookaburra! WOW!
First, Kooka claimed that reading your blog made him/her research Shoo!Tag further.
Next, s/he said that he/she came across your blog while researching Shoo!Tag.
Finally, Miss/Mr/Mrs/Dr Kookaburra landed at Tethered Cow because someone else suggested checking it out.
I like that almost as much as the image of “a businessman in the field of marketing” who lives in the “outback” with dogs and horses and chickens. (I may be making up the chickens). Mate.
Kookaburra is pretty obviously not good with telling the truth, I think we can agree. Hence all the oblique forays into ad hominem attacks, the potty-mouth insults and the sooky retreats (I’m so awfully sorry to have made him/her feel ‘icky’). Kooka is also pretending to have no affiliation with ShooTag but for an impartial observer seems mighty keen to get into the ring.
It’s an old rule of thumb that loonies start shouting almost immediately if you go anywhere near them.
Loonies looking to make money start shouting even sooner.
That’s why it’s always nice and quiet around the castle, a few heads on pikes make a soothing rustling sound in the wind…
No-one here for a microsecond doubted that Kookaburra was rational (or genuine), but the speed and vigour with which he/she/it began to dig their own grave was impressive to say the least.
Luckily the Rev had a reply, I wonder have many other of the ‘seven deadly blogs’ had that pasted response Atlas got. Perhaps he thinks were all one entity!
These sorts of people are naturally scared of brainy folk, we say unexpected things and ask difficult questions, no wonder Kookaburra got frightened and angry. A bird’s brain is very small, less than a walnut more like a sultana – and primarily focussed on feeding and pecking not to mention ‘territorial duties’.
Yes Rev, Kookabugger thinks all Australia is his, and we’re just an inconvenient murder of crows.
I’m afraid crows are very smart birds… They often make a cry that sounds much like this:
‘FAAAARRRRKKKKKK ORRRRRRRFFFFFF’
You’d be advised to heed it Kookie, impersonating a native bird will not save you, nor allow you to sleep at night either, and as for your useless baubles, you can shove them up that part of your anatomy with which you appear to conduct your ‘business’ affairs…
The King
I also think online dictionaries are dodgy (unless it’s someone else’s fault):
“b. to utterly denial”
The King
Paul….You are udderly pathetic.
Anyone know who Paul is?
(I notice you’ve moved from Australia back to Texas, by the way Kookaburra)
Paul could be the current contender for The Unusual Thing…
Oh PLEASE, Kooka…quit baiting him.
Leave Pete and his Gemini offspring to their own undoing.
Truthteller (a misnomer if ever there was one):
I have to ask you a question: do you really think that all this stuff helps your case at all? You’ve made these outrageous and unsupported claims for a gadget that I contend does absolutely nothing, and you are completely and utterly unable to bring forward a single, substantiated piece of scientific evidence that your product does what you claim it does. Instead you spend your time trawling around in my comments and links for clues as to who you think I am (I really don’t care, by the way – it’s hardly a secret), pretending to be disinterested third parties, calling me names and indulging in various other subterfuges.
Why are you concerned with anything but the question at hand? Do you realise that you just don’t behave like people would if they had a product that actually worked?
If you people had one single decent bone in your bodies, you would stand up to the courage of your convictions and show us some real, scientific evidence for your claims. Again and again I ask you to do just that one thing, and you seem completely unable to.
If ShooTag works, why can’t you do this? It seems like such a simple thing to me.
I intend to prove to people that ShooTag is a useless trinket, by using science. If it works on some scientific principle, as you claim it does, then you just have to demonstrate you have good science behind you. It’s that simple.
Or it’s magic – you can end the whole matter right here by offering that, and I won’t pursue it any longer. I have no interest in claims of magic.
Which is it to be?
“Do you realise that you just don’t behave like people would if they had a product that actually worked?”
Masterful, Paul.
Er … Pete.
Err …
Now, on The Cow, of course, our products speak for themselves.
“You say I’m wasting my time with ShooTag.
Oh yes, very well, I probably am.”
No, you are not. I work in a pet supplies store (one of the busiest in QLD), one that thankfully does not sell the Shoo Tag. Sometimes customers enquire about Shoo Tags – I use the information from your website to demonstrate to customers how it’s shonky ‘science’ and a complete scam. I educate them and encourage them not to waste their money. My customers trust me and they are so thankful that I saved them money by stopping them from buying a Shoo Tag.
I have also spent time educating my workmates about the Shoo Tag so that they too can warn our customers about it being a scam.
You are clearly not wasting your time – your efforts have had a huge flow on effect.
In 2011 I nominated a product for Choice magazine’s annual ‘Shonky Awards’. My nomination was a winner and the spotlight was shone on the dodgy claims being made by the product’s proprietors (claims which they were forced to withdraw). It was on the daily news and ABC radio investigated and did a cracker of an interview with them. I have nominated the Shoo Tag for this year’s awards, here’s hoping it’s picked!
Good Day, Mate!! (lolololol let’s go chuck a shrimp on the barbie and drink a Foster’s while we’re at it)
Thank you Jessica. Just one reply like yours makes it all worthwhile.