Sat 24 Nov 2007
Water on the Brain
Posted by anaglyph under Idiots, Insane People, Laughs, Silly, Skeptical Thinking, Stupidity, WooWoo
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Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
I’ve just encountered ‘the world’s first interactive natural spring water – H²Om Water with Intention‘ Yes, you heard right: H²Om, as in Ommmmmmmm…
You can visit the website if you’ve got the stomach, but I’ll save you the pain: these people are selling bottled water that has been infused with nothing other than (supposedly) positive energy. From their blurb:
H²Om water with intention has revolutionized the bottled water industry by creating the world’s first vibrationally charged, interactive bottled water.
Got that? The water is vibrationally charged. And, to reiterate, it’s also interactive. If your Bullshit Detector Meters haven’t pinned yet, allow me to elaborate: the concept behind this water appears to be that those who drink it think about positive things while they are doing so, and then this somehow makes the water better. It’s not explained exactly how this works, nor in exactly what way the water is better. It’s just better.
The H²Om people have trademarked the slogan Think It While You Drink It™ a catchphrase that simultaneously illuminates the stupidity of the Trademarking system and the brainlessness of anyone who believes that a witless motto such as this actually means anything.
H²Om’s Vibration Hydrationâ„¢ (Oh Spare Me!â„¢) comes in seven great vibrational ‘flavours’: Love, Perfect Health, Gratitude, Prosperity, Will Power, Joy and Peace (I swear I’m not making this up).
Now I want to emphasize here, in case you didn’t get it, that these ‘flavours’ aren’t actually anything, like, flavoursome. If you buy a bottle of, say, ‘Joy’, it’s going to taste exactly the same as ‘Prosperity’- it’s only the vibrations that will be different (shit, I’m laughing as I type this – it’s so much like a parody I can’t actually believe that these people are serious).
Best of all, if this water doesn’t unequivocally bring you Peace/Joy/Love/Pretzels, H²Om have the ultimate escape clause: the water is interactive you loser – if it’s not working it’s your fault!
Still not with me? Still giving them the benefit of the doubt? Not laughing as much as me yet? Then read on:
As an added bonus, once our water is in the bottle, we play a restorative compositions of music, frequencies, and spoken word to the water.
Spoken word? Wha?
Nice water. Nice joyful pretty water. I love you water. You are the best water in the universe. Pretty pretty water. Lovely watery joyful prosperous water.
Seriously. It’s going to be something just like that, right?
Yup. If there’s one thing this website doesn’t lack it’s pages of incomprehensible waffle:
There are several distinctive vibrational frequencies that are infused in each bottle of H2Om. The First is the vibrational frequency of the label. The use of words, symbols and colors on the label. Each bottle contains the symbol of the Absolute “Omâ€. It also contains the vibratory word “Love†or “Perfect Health†etc. written on the label in many of the world’s languages. A specific color vibration has also been chosen for each bottle, this color coordinates with the corresponding chakra.
Now I know what you’re going to say – this is all flimsy bollocks and no-one is going to fall for this claptrap without some kind of basis in fact! Well, it’s just about now that H²Om wheels out its supporting ‘evidence’ for their miraculous product, and it comes in the form of an endorsement from a personage who was slated to appear in a future edition of the TCA Educational Series ‘Woo Woo Beliefs‘, a minimally educated Japanese ‘doctor’* Masaru Emoto. Some of you may have seen Dr Emoto’s claims promoted in the risible What the Bleep do We Know, a film that is rooted in reality to about the same extent as, oh, your average Warner Brothers’ Roadrunner cartoon.
To encapsulate, Dr Emoto has formulated some ideas (it’s absurd to call them hypotheses, since he doesn’t even pretend to adopt any form of scientific protocol) that water crystallizes in certain ways according to its response to people’s thoughts and emotions. That’s all you need to know – I’ll examine Dr Emoto further at a later time. It is sufficient to note that the H²Om people are so besotted by Dr Emoto that they have made him a partner in their company and are in the process of launching a new line with his imprimatur.
And you know what? I just bet they have the box-office attendance figures for What the Bleep framed on the H²Om office wall, with all the zeros emphasized in fluorescent hi-lighter.
Given the size of that demographic, it’s evident that H²Om’s marketing is dead accurate in one respect anyway: it is very obviously water with intention. Oh yeah. Intention of the people who make it to get filthy rich by exploiting the gullibility of simpletons.
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*His ‘doctorate’ in Alternative Medicine was awarded by an uncredited pay-your-way ‘university’ in India. Make of that what you will.
Thanks Sean for bringing the H²Om website to my attention.
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I don’t know about the water’s intention on the way in, but I can certainly make it vibrate on the way out.
O joy, o frabjous day!
I thought I was just chortling away happily like any faithful Cowalyte at the Alternative Medicine University website when I was rewarded by an unlooked for eggcorn!
“Requirement for the Award: The candidate has to submit an original & authentic research work (thesis) of at least 300 pages (on full scape paper).”
Use the full scape of that paper, or else!
Cissy Strutt: Make sure you Contemplate As You Micturateâ„¢ for full effect.
Pil: Alternatively, they could fashion the paper into a fool’s cap…
Nice job turning water into whine.
jmf: Comment of the Month. Were you rehearsing that for the next time I posted a ‘Daft Water Belief’ story?
Did you see the “look who’s drinking” section?? Obviously they aren’t bottling one with an intelligence vibe!
You forgot to mention that nobody has to pay for this, it’s already in our homes.
I think intention is a worthy notion. I’ve tried the water and it tastes very clean and delicious. I see it everywhere in california. I understand that it’s all about the marketing…but if they can get a bunch of people thinking positive thoughts it might improve the quality of peoples experiences on the planet. it might not but it beats making videos of people smashing their faces into flourecent light bulbs. you seem to be very cynical about this stuff…
also checked out the Emoto dude. It seems that his studies are verified by the university of noetic sciences and stanford, penn state, and berkely science journals. to eaach his own.
just went to the h2om site…very unique. but on the bright side, it looks like they are doing some good by creating awareness and education on sustainability and recycling… and offsetting their carbon footprint on the planet. I think that’s cool, all water companies should do that.
JACP – alternatively they could not produce this rubbish and not have to recycle or offset. Unique idea, eh?
Hydration Vibration sounds like a disco song.
*Phoebe wanders off shaking hips and humming*
Damn! Why can’t I think stuff like this up first?
JACP: Oh where to start? I seem very cynical about this stuff? Gosh. I’m obviously leaving room for interpretation. Let me be clear: my opinion is that the H²Om people are peddling nothing more than unmitigated hogwash.
Of course the water should taste clean – it’s filtered water. I would assert that a minimal requirement for bottled water is that it tastes clean. ‘Deliciousness’, however is a subjective quality and I submit that in a blind taste test you would not be able to tell H²Om from another similarly treated water.
That it’s extensively consumed by Californians neither surprises nor impresses me. It would impress me far more if, rather than ‘thinking positive thoughts’, they got off their collective asses and did something practical. Thinking positive thoughts ain’t gonna change the world my friend, no matter how hippy-trippy-touchy-feely-appealing that concept may be.
As far as Masaru Emoto’s ‘studies’ being ‘verified’ by those vague waves of the hand to various questionable sources, well, let me just say that Emoto himself has freely admitted that his ‘experiments’ are not executed with any scientific rigour. In fact, he eschews scientific method, does not call himself a scientist and admits that he uses aesthetic judgements to determine his results. To put it bluntly, in case you don’t get it, ‘Dr’ Emoto is an exponent of magical thinking.
Now, if you’re going to tell me that H²Om is magic water, then we can end the discussion there because there’s really no way I can disagree with that. Magic sits outside the realm of the rational. What really gets up my nose is when people like this H²Om crowd try and pass off their hoodoo as having some kind of scientific legitimacy. H²Om has no basis in science or rationality. It’s pure, unadulterated snake oil.
Burd: Or, alternatively again, they could make a normal bottled water without any of the New Age mumbo jumbo and still encourage recycling and better environmental practices! Why does responsibility seem to have to be the province of airheaded nitwits?
Phoebe Fay: I think you’re getting it confused with my new brand: Disco Waterâ„¢.
Colonel: Thinking it up’s not the hard part. Having the lack of integrity to take a dollar from someone who doesn’t know any better is where you put your foot on the slippery slide to Hell.
anaglyph:
I don’t think it’s magic water. but I do think it’s a step in the right direction for people to start having conscious thoughts about what they want to create in their lives, for themselves and for the planet.
Thinking positive thought alone may not change the world, I agree. But it has to start with a thought, then it has to become an action. So if these h2om people can help generate the seed of thought where it might not otherwise be, then I say their marketing at the very least, is helping to create some good conversations about what intention is and inspiring some people to start the process.
And, just to see if I could tell, I did a blind taste test last night, I tasted Arrowhead spring water, Dasani filtered water, Fiji water and H2Om spring water. H2om clearly tasted the best, fiji came in close second, arrowhead tasted a bit stale, and Dasani just tasted like tap water, stale and lifeless. I don’t think it had anything to do with the intention but they clearly have a great source that is very fresh.
As far as H2Om being snake oil, I strongly disagree. Intention has been proven as the catalyst for many great events in the history of mankind. Clearly it’s not for everyone, but people like Wayne Dyer, Depok Chopra, Jack Canfield, and others has changed the lives of many by sharing their info on creating intention. As far as infusing the water with vibration as a bonus, I think they’re saying, “If there are new studies that show water has a receptive quality, then why not give it good vibes to receive?” It doesn’t hurt anything, or anyone. Plus anyone who would buy it (it cost the same as or less than the other waters I mentioned above) probably wants to create something good in their lives, and are using it to inspire their own thoughts. surely not a slippery slide to Hell. LOL
JACP: You seem to have missed my point again.
There is no science nor rational thought behind the claims of H²Om. None. Ergo, to have any claim on its abilities to do the things H²Om says it will do (which, admitedly are vague and imprecise like most pseudoscience) you have to embrace magic.
Let me say it again: not science.
Now, to your ‘blind’ taste test. What you have described is a characteristic example of non-scientific process. It’s the kind of thing that people think is science, and why there is such a big problem with the vast acceptance of hokum like H²Om and homeopathy and perpetual motion machines and any other amount of pseudoscientific waffle. For a start, you CANNOT do the experiment on yourself. You are exhibiting what is called ‘experimenter bias’ by doing so. That is, you are already predisposed to a preferred outcome and your results are biased as a result.
This is not how science works. Read that again.
This is how you must set up the experiment for it to have any scientific value:
•First, State your Aims: In the process you’ve outlined you have NOT demonstrated any special properties for H²Om, even if your experiment was not already flawed. All you have demonstrated is that, in your opinion, the waters tasted different. So what?
H²Om are not merely claiming their water tastes ‘fresher’. They are claiming that it will bring you Prosperity/Joy/Peace or whatever. A claim of ‘cleaner water’ is testable. If the H²Om site was just another bottled water site claiming ‘Our Water is the Best Tasting’ I wouldn’t have bothered writing a post about it.
•Second: You must NOT do the experiment on yourself (for reasons of bias as I have explained)
•Third: Your Experiment Must Be Double Blind: Neither you nor your testers can know what is in the samples you give them. The double blind process requires experimental rigour and if correctly implemented irons out all possibility of Experimenter Bias.
•Fourth: A Sample of One is meaningless: You must do your test on enough people to show a persuasive trend away from chance.
•Fifth: Allow Scrutiny: a disinterested party must supervise your process to make sure you follow the rules properly.
This is how science works. This is why planes stay in the sky and how you can be communicating with me via the internet. This is why we no longer have Smallpox in the world and know our brains are not simply organs for producing mucus.
Let me pull you up on another piece of the H²Om spiel that you bought hook line & sinker. You say:
JACP, there are no proper studies that show water has any ‘receptive’ quality. This refers to some silly tinkerings by some daft people who have taken some science and spun it into fairy tales. Water does not care whether you sing at it, shout at it, think about it, curse it, loathe it, love it or buy it chocolates. Masaru Emoto’s ‘experiments’ are the silly ditherings of a flake. They are not ‘studies’ and are most certainly not in any way science.
And to take up one further point: you say “It doesn’t hurt anything, or anyone.”
This is why I write these posts. On the contrary JACP – in my opinion it does hurt people. This kind of bogus pseudo-scientific thinking wreaks indelible harm. It gives people the impression that the world functions other than it really does and that leads to all kinds of undesirable consequences. Aside from anything, it makes some cynical exploitative people very rich off the gullibility of others. I feel obliged to try and point that out to those poor suckers, even if they don’t want to hear it.
People who want to ‘create good in their lives’ and ‘inspire their thoughts’ go out and do exactly that. I know plenty of them.
One thing they don’t do is go looking for it in a bottle of water.
I just went through the H2Om site and no where does it claim that it will bring you Joy prosperity, any of that stuff.
here is an exerpt:
What is Water wih Intention?
Designed to inspire you, each bottle of H2Om promotes positive thinking, and positive energy for people and the planet.
Our trademark slogan “Think it while you Drink it”® inspires you to use the positive words on the label as the driving force in creating your intention.
Our vision for H2Om is to spread positive energy, inspire people to visualize amazing possibilities in their lives, and carry those vibrations throughout the world.
What sets H2Om apart from other bottled water brands are the societal benefits inherent in each and every bottle. These range from the distribution of the water’s energetic intent and interactive qualities, to H2Om’s commitment to support world water education and organizations that bring awareness to social and environmental issues, natural health and the welfare of the planet.
H2Om is bottled in PET1 food grade plastic. It is 100% recyclable (please recycle) It is the safest food container available in the industry, it can be re-used safely if cleaned properly, and is time stamped with a safety date, guaranteeing its safety for a full two years from its manufacturing date.
they go on to say:
we offer an alternative positive choice when choosing a natural spring water.
The people who drink H2Om are individuals who care about health, love, and being positive. People who believe that intention is everything. People who believe in the power of positive thinking. People that understand that the universe is made up of vibrations, and that even the vibrations of a single thought can effect our world.
The “other people” who don’t believe in such things, like yourself, don’t have to buy it. Nowhere on their site does it imply false promises to the “poor suckers” as you put it.
As far as my taste test, you’re right I did not do it in a scientific lab. I bought out 4 identical glasses from my cupboard, I had my wife pour the water from each bottle in each glass, without my knowledge of which were which, then designated the glasses with an A,B,C, and D. Only she knew which they were…on a piece of paper I wrote my opinions on the different waters. the results (above) were non-biased. It’s not hard science but I wanted to see for myself.
Their site also had:
What is Intention?
It has been defined as:
What one intends to accomplish or attain.
What one has in mind to do or bring about.
To have in mind as a purpose or goal.
An act or instance of determining mentally upon some action or result.
A design, resolve, or determination of the mind.
Simply stated, it’s a mental picture, an imagined plan of what you wish to create in your life. Whether it be health, love, prosperity, happiness, courage, will power or anything you can imagine, Intention is the starting point. On a spiritual level, intention is considered a connection to spirit through the mind, as well as a place where the subconscious mind can receive information which can serve as a blueprint for the “Laws of Attraction”
also:
Our Mission
Our Mission is to create awareness and education on world water issues, recycling, and the welfare of the planet, while inspiring people to individually generate positive energy in their lives, and in their communities.
We strive to have a positive affect on our culture and the Earth while we pay respect to the sacred life force that exists in our Water.
We support organizations and events which provide education through the media on social and environmental issues.
A portion of our proceeds will benefit the International Water for Life Foundation, the Love Planet Foundation, an environmental education organization dedicated to the protection of the planet for future generations.
I just don’t perceive the snake oil in all of that. Maybe I’m one of the “poor suckers” you mentioned in your post but at least I’m in great company with people who give a Sh@t.
good luck in all your future disection of inspirational products.
Damn. I wish I’d thought of that.
Yeah JACP, thanks for the lengthy re-quote from their website. I can read, and did read it.
Nowhere have I taken issue with H²Om’s business practices. Good on ’em if they want to improve the world. Fine and dandy if they want to recycle and give to charity. All admirable pursuits. Lots of companies that don’t peddle silliness do that too. What I’m saying – listen – is that there’s no science involved in their product, except for maybe some good filtration techniques.
You have also made some incredibly irksome assertions, something which I see time and time again in people arguing for pseudoscience. As soon as the going gets tough, they resort to ad hominem discourse:
…the implication being that I have no interest in health, love or positive thinking. That is not so. I value all those things highly. But I don’t believe that you can record them in a bottle of water.
You also imply that I don’t ‘give a shit’. Why are you making those assertions? Because you think that because I’m thinking rationally, I therefore must be unable to entertain any human values? How clichéd! How narrow-minded!!
You say that H²Om doesn’t promise any of the things it has on the labels? Of course not. They couldn’t do that. But they suggest it. Why are they putting those things on the labels? What are they selling if not these things? Clean water? Why don’t they say so? At the very least they are being misleading.
You’ve now re-arranged your argument because you simply can’t gain any ground on the issue that I’m putting forward – the scientific basis for the claims of water being able to ‘record’ vibrations, and the practical (if any) benefits of that. I’m also not debating whether or not H²Om tastes any different to other bottled water – I can’t say, I’ve not tasted it. It’s irrelevant to my point. H²Om are selling ‘water with Intention’ not ‘cleaner fresher water’. It’s the ‘Intention’ and ‘Vibration’ crap that I’m taking to task. (Even if I did care about the taste of the water, your experiment with your wife is still deeply flawed, no matter how you perceive it. You are simply not impartial).
Let me just ask you one question: If they are not selling any of that other claptrap, why are they promoting ‘Dr’ Emoto as their spokesperson?
And may I remind you that H²Om also tells us on their website that they play music to the water, speak to it, and put coloured labels on it to influence its properties.
Go on – tell me that’s not mumbo jumbo.
Oh, I see what you’re saying. I’m going straight to the source…Their phone number is on this bottle on my desk. (ten minutes later) Well I called the company. Spoke to a rep that explained to me that Dr. Emoto is not their spokes person. that he approached them to be the brand behind his upcoming bottled water product.
They also told me that the science behind it was done in double blind tests at three different universities and was posted in the science journals of March 2006 stanford, berkeley, penn state. as well as results posted in the wall street journal in March of 06 also that William Tiller a professor at one of the Universities also wrote extensive blind studies on water and its receptivity.
The rep also said that they play the frequencies to the water as a bonus, that they do not claim that it has any magical effects, but rather they do it on the chance that these studies have validity to them.
they were very clear to me that the primary focus of the company is to inspire people to create intention in their day, and provide a clean pure spring water, and that all the rest was a bonus for those who follow or believe such things…
do I? well…I’m open to the idea that it’s possible, after all, we are made of water and we become effected by bad or good “vibes”, spoken words, etc.
To sum it up I get what you’re saying, but I believe it’s a worthy subject to inspire these kinds of conversation.
and as a side note… I was very glad to actually speak to someone at H2Om (instead of a recording or automation device) who was willing to answer my questions with concise forthright answers, and who seemed very open to, and honored the idea that everyone is entitled to have beliefs that are their own.
They got that going for them…
take care.
PS: I’m glad you have interest in health, love and positive thinking. No intent to make those assertions or attack your character or contentions. Peace.
Oh yes. I bet they were very clear. This confirms to me that what they are doing is a cynical marketing exercise. And the fact that the person you spoke to distances the company from Masaru Emoto is highly intriguing, when their site does as much as it can to bandy around his name.
Good on you for making the effort to contact them, but after a comprehensive search I can find no citations of any of the tests they claim have shown convincing results. I would love to see some references. Why do they not link to them off their site if they are so persuasive? Instead, their link page has a list of batty referrals to Emoto and What the Bleep. And to other sites that in turn refer back to Emoto and What the Bleep. These kinds of indicators are troubling.
Masaru Emoto himself has repeatedly declined double blind testing. William Tiller has not produced any double blind experiments showing that water accepts and ‘remembers’ vibrations – do a search! At the very least you have to admit that if this is such an astounding thing you’d expect that the hits you got were not just associated with What the Bleep.
Once again, they’re asking you to believe that the efficacy of their water is based on science. It isn’t.
If you want to believe that ‘vibrations’ influence the water, and that we are influenced by ‘vibrations’ (whatever that actually means – it’s such a wishy-washy, vague, one-size-fits-all concept), go ahead – I won’t argue with you unless you try and tell me it’s science.
And I’m sure that the people who work at H²Om are very nice people in the main. But they are peddling snake oil in the guise of bottled water, plain and simple.
And thanks for having the insight to see that even us incorrigible old rationalists can have a heart too.
William Tiller stuff:
At the Living Water conference, professor emeritus William Tiller quietly obliterated the conventional view that humans cannot meaningfully interact with their experiments,
“Conventional science would even more emphatically state that specific human intentions could not be focused into a simple
electronic device, which is then used to meaningfully influence an experiment in accord with the specific intention.
We have made a valid test and found conventional science conclusion to be in serious error.”
In his work Dr. Tiller describes the people who are capable of sustaining high-coherence in intentions as “imprinters.” They, for example, sit around the table while putting out the intention “to activate the indwelling consciousness of the system” so that the pH of the experimental, water increased or decreased significantly compared to the control. It did. How does he explain this? The theory used by Tiller and co-researcher Walter Dibble, Jr., is multidimentional. These scientists see water as a special material, “well suited for information/energy transfer from this frequency domain into our conventional domain of cognition, the physical.” Regarding the factor of mental capability of whether imprinters know enough science to visualize changes in pH, Dr. Tiller said,
“the unseen intelligence of the universe is an even more important factor.” Later he added, “in my view it is the spark of Spirit in the cells that give rise to the life force.”
Another scientist at that meeting, Dr. Glen Rein, points out, that physicists know about the existence of energy fields with properties, which are not explained by classical equations. He refers to the non-classical fields as quantum fields. Rein’s work again shows that this non-electromagnetic energy information can be stored in water and can later communicate with living cells.
Perhaps Viktor Schauberger’s most startling observation was that subtle qualities of water can affect humans mentally and spiritually, either revitalization or deterioration of society. Dr. Thomas Narvaez has proven to his own satisfaction that a vitality factor exists and can be increased or decreased in water by human activity. “We now see that our thoughts not only affect our own bodies, but also the bodies of those around us. Members of this group (speaking to the Institute of Advanced Water Sciences, in 1996) who bottled water or who worked with broadcasted energies like crystals or magnets therefore have a responsibility to keep our view of the world upbeat and positive.”
William Tiller
These scientists see water as a special material, “well suited for information/energy transfer from this frequency domain into our conventional domain of cognition, the physical.” Regarding the factor of mental capability of whether imprinters know enough science to visualize changes in pH, Dr. Tiller said.
—-that was from a quick internet search
Yes, but that is:
A: Nothing to do with H²Om’s claim that the properties of ‘vibrational’ water is backed up by double blind experiments
and
B: Gobbledigook. Let me strip it back for you: Just because people call themselves scientists and sit around in a room and bandy concepts involving magnets and quantum fields doesn’t guarantee they will be talking sense. In fact, as soon as someone brings up ‘magnets’ in the context of these topics, you can mostly be sure they aren’t.
There is no shortage of incomprehensible waffle like this on the net. Please don’t confuse it with science. All I want to see is the confirmational results from the supposed double blind experiments that William Tiller has done, and to which the H²Om person you talked to referred.
Not William Tiller merely saying things are so.
And this:
It’s not good enough to prove it to your own satisfaction. You must prove it to the satisfaction an unbiased observer. You can prove anything to your own satisfaction if you’re sufficiently gullible.
LOL
you said—
Let me be clear: my opinion is that the H²Om people are peddling nothing more than unmitigated hogwash.
This is not how science works. Read that again.
I can read, and did read it.
Let me strip it back for you:
I understand that you’re a science guy, but all of your replies are scented with a bit of condescension.
I guess what I’m saying is I give the H2Om folks the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, there is some cutting edge pioneering science being formulated on the subject of waters receptivity to energetic vibration.
intention has certainly passed the acid test.
but remember not so long ago… the masses believed that flight was not possible for man…
the earth was flat…
and there was never going to be space exploration…
the wright brothers followed their satisfaction of their own gullibility…etc…etc
It worked for them… maybe H2Om is on to something.
I apologize if I appear condescending. You have to understand, the style of your argument is not new to me, and I have little patience with it. You’re saying that you believe these people, and that what they say is not magic, and yet you (like they) can’t produce any science to add weight to what you assert. It sounds just like magic to me. Why do you have such a problem with that? I’d admire you SO much more if you said ‘This is magic water – deal with it’. And yet you can’t because, deep down, like mostly everybody else, you want it to make sense. Which is where you fall at the hurdle BECAUSE IT DOESN’T.
I am attacking the assertion that these people make, that their phony ‘science’ has any merit. That’s my argument. That they are claiming scientific plausibility and failing to show it.
I will say this once, unequivocally: show me some proper science that is persuasive in their favour and I will change my view.
You say:
Yet they haven’t demonstrated that. Anywhere.
Wha? How the hell did you get that? No wonder I sound condescending to you when I tackle your logic – you leap and twist every which way with your blend of assumptions and credulous observations. How has ‘intention’ certainly passed the acid test? What acid test? Who says? And what has it got to do with bottled water?
And contrary to your assertions, people were trying to fly for millennia before the Wright Brothers managed powered flight. Flight is based on observation – you see a bird fly, and you know it is possible. As far as the Earth being flat – that was an uninformed religious view that was comprehensively trounced by good scientific observation. May I remind you that it was the church that was most resistant to the ideas of Galileo and Copernicus.
The Wright brothers were not acting in isolation. They were merely the first to fly under power. There were a dozen other groups attempting similar experiments, including a chap in New Zealand who arguable beat the Wright brothers to it. They weren’t in anyway acting under gullible self-deception. The scientific principles of flight were well known and understood centuries before the Wright brothers flew (as far back as Leonardo da Vinci, in fact).
You must be able to separate science from speculation. The Emotos of the world are speculating. Their ideas, I say again, are not science.
right
not science… i still like the idea.
If it’s not out there somewhere already…it will have its day.
Devil’s Advocate and all,aint there some thing quantum about choosing to drink Dead Cat Water or Live Cat Water rather than just Any Old State of Cat Water?
Don’t we change our state by making choices?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/21/scicosmos121.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox
Sure. You can change whatever you like if you have a mind to.
But bottled water don’t come into the equation.
Shame.I just opened a bottle and found a dead cat inside.I woulda wished it otherwise.
Well, you will insist on drinking that infernal swill from ‘Kitten Springs’.